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Where's China when you need them!... kidding...but it would be nice to know how much these are costing Arrington and BlackOps and what's their profit margin. I know the volume is super low for Durangos, but I can get a 3 point strut bar for my other car for $160 on the low to $325 for something bling. Under $350 should be doable for our Ds. I know if you go tubular you have to bend it and weld it, but you save a ton in material since you don't have to hog out a big chunk of aluminum. I just want one daddy!
 
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Where's China when you need them!... kidding...but it would be nice to know how much these are costing Arrington and BlackOps and what's their profit margin. I know the volume is super low for Durangos, but I can get a 3 point strut bar for my other car for $160 on the low to $325 for something bling. Under $350 should be doable for our Ds. I know if you go tubular you have to bend it and weld it, but you save a ton in material since you don't have to hog out a big chunk of aluminum. I just want one daddy!
Let me put it this way. My buddy has a high end vendor in China .
We had a turbo manifold a customer brought to him to duplicate he wanted to pay 450$ for it it cost him 900$ when it was new.
China could produce the same manifold with 409 stainless steel @ 90$ a unit with a commitment of 30 units. With the shipping cost came up to 125$ Per unit.
I'm not saying hey go over seas for stuff. There is just so much saved I know why people use them.
Again if he would have went with a crappy vendor it would have been like 45$ maybe less.
 
Where's China when you need them!... kidding...but it would be nice to know how much these are costing Arrington and BlackOps and what's their profit margin. I know the volume is super low for Durangos, but I can get a 3 point strut bar for my other car for $160 on the low to $325 for something bling. Under $350 should be doable for our Ds. I know if you go tubular you have to bend it and weld it, but you save a ton in material since you don't have to hog out a big chunk of aluminum. I just want one daddy!
I got my cusco strut tower brace for my subaru shipped from japan via ems for under 200 bucks. They definitely are cheap to make. Just that this "made in the USA" thing hikes up the price by atleast 200%
 
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I got my cusco strut tower brace for my subaru shipped from japan via ems for under 200 bucks. They definitely are cheap to make. Just that this "made in the USA" thing hikes up the price by atleast 200%
Exactly, all my mods for my Evo were so affordable... I pieced together a full turbo back 3" stainless exhaust for under $1k (Japanese made and/or assembled in the USA, Chinese copy was 2/3 the cost of my Japanese made one), beautiful welds and no bs stainless. As Rob said I'm not promoting buy China, but without them 1. No one would make any money and 2. We wouldn't have stuff available for decent prices... My flame suit is on so let the flaming begin!
 
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All I am saying is just cuz we live in the great USA and you produce a product in the USA doesn't mean hey come rob us Americans <=== th sad part is there are people who will pay what ever price people ask.
 
It costs money to make stuff in the USA. When you pay people more than $35/day, dont just dump your hazardous waste on the ground outside your shop door, give your workers crazy protective equipment like respirators, dont buy your electricity from powerplants that are killing you with their emissions, and things like that then it adds up over time.

I worked for two different steel recycling mill not that long ago- one made rebar for bridges, buildings, roadways, etc. The other made steel wire . The places were constantly in upheaval and the workers were constantly giving back wages, benefits, quality of life, etc to try and compete with chinese steel. They bought scrap metal as the feed stock. When the trucks came in the loads where inspected. If the material was too crappy then they got turned away. The trucks would just turn around and drive to the port and dump their inferior load in a ship bound for china. The inferior raw material would get shipped half way around the world and get made into rebar or wire and then get shipped half way around the world to be sold here. Neither steel mill is in business any more becasue they couldn't compete. It's just crazy cheaper to make stuff in china than it is in the US. If you are in business in China, you can ship the raw material from here to there, then send the finished good back, eat that transportation cost and tie your money up for months longer, and still pound the American company to death.

That said- retail price has little to do with actual cost to produce the product. If your own a business then you charge what you think will make you the most money. If you think you can make $100 profit per piece and sell 1/50th of the amount it's still a better decision to do that rather than selling 50 for $1 profit each. It's the same reason that apple charges significantly more per smarthphone than a different brand with a similar cost parts list- they've decided that letting others duke it out over the bottom of the market is fine and they'll make plenty at the top end. It's hard to argue that apple has made poor choices in which market segment to target.

Similarly the JGC is priced one way and the Durango is priced another even though they get built of many of the same parts on the same assembly line by the same people.

If you dont like the price someone charges than don't buy what they are selling.

If you think you can open a shop and make a decent living making commodity items in the US and selling them for something closer to Chinese prices than go for it. But the fact that such products are hard to come by makes me think it's a smidge more complicated than implying unscrupulous people are robbing the public for sport by writing "made in the USA" on the box.

JMHO
 
It costs money to make stuff in the USA. When you pay people more than $35/day, dont just dump your hazardous waste on the ground outside your shop door, give your workers crazy protective equipment like respirators, dont buy your electricity from powerplants that are killing you with their emissions, and things like that then it adds up over time.

I worked for two different steel recycling mill not that long ago- one made rebar for bridges, buildings, roadways, etc. The other made steel wire . The places were constantly in upheaval and the workers were constantly giving back wages, benefits, quality of life, etc to try and compete with chinese steel. They bought scrap metal as the feed stock. When the trucks came in the loads where inspected. If the material was too crappy then they got turned away. The trucks would just turn around and drive to the port and dump their inferior load in a ship bound for china. The inferior raw material would get shipped half way around the world and get made into rebar or wire and then get shipped half way around the world to be sold here. Neither steel mill is in business any more becasue they couldn't compete. It's just crazy cheaper to make stuff in china than it is in the US. If you are in business in China, you can ship the raw material from here to there, then send the finished good back, eat that transportation cost and tie your money up for months longer, and still pound the American company to death.

That said- retail price has little to do with actual cost to produce the product. If your own a business then you charge what you think will make you the most money. If you think you can make $100 profit per piece and sell 1/50th of the amount it's still a better decision to do that rather than selling 50 for $1 profit each. It's the same reason that apple charges significantly more per smarthphone than a different brand with a similar cost parts list- they've decided that letting others duke it out over the bottom of the market is fine and they'll make plenty at the top end. It's hard to argue that apple has made poor choices in which market segment to target.

Similarly the JGC is priced one way and the Durango is priced another even though they get built of many of the same parts on the same assembly line by the same people.

If you dont like the price someone charges than don't buy what they are selling.

If you think you can open a shop and make a decent living making commodity items in the US and selling them for something closer to Chinese prices than go for it. But the fact that such products are hard to come by makes me think it's a smidge more complicated than implying unscrupulous people are robbing the public for sport by writing "made in the USA" on the box.

JMHO
You have valid points , but there are a ton of thieves in this country that never hold a weapon of threaten a person to get there money. The reason China can sell steel at far less is more then just a crap metal that some start with. The Chinese govt subsidizes a lot of there export industry so they can ram low prices down the worlds throat kill a company like you worked for then demand the higher price they know they can get. Recently my company needed a special stainless steel used on bridge road ways. They tried to use a company in USA but it was almost a 3rd more to use steel made in USA . Is this fair to the tax payer ?
I think it's unfair that companies in USA a company can't compete with other countries.
Ps my company ended up getting the USA steel when it hit the news.
This is a bigger issue then just a strut bar.
 
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Let me put it this way. My buddy has a high end vendor in China .
We had a turbo manifold a customer brought to him to duplicate he wanted to pay 450$ for it it cost him 900$ when it was new.
China could produce the same manifold with 409 stainless steel @ 90$ a unit with a commitment of 30 units. With the shipping cost came up to 125$ Per unit.
I'm not saying hey go over seas for stuff. There is just so much saved I know why people use them.
Again if he would have went with a crappy vendor it would have been like 45$ maybe less.

$35 to ship from China? Is that assuming a container load?
 
$35 to ship from China? Is that assuming a container load?
35$x30units 1050$ was in a container coming to our local port. Don't ask me how hey get these numbers but it's what he was quoted. The shipper was tied in with the fabricator some how they make money in this.
 
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Where's China when you need them!... kidding...but it would be nice to know how much these are costing Arrington and BlackOps and what's their profit margin. I know the volume is super low for Durangos, but I can get a 3 point strut bar for my other car for $160 on the low to $325 for something bling. Under $350 should be doable for our Ds. I know if you go tubular you have to bend it and weld it, but you save a ton in material since you don't have to hog out a big chunk of aluminum. I just want one daddy!
I'm pretty sure Forum member Dewphy is working on a tubular welded style, but not sure. Maybe he will chime in again. As I said before, I think there is room for two price points. As someone else pointed out, how does Jeep get away with charging SO much more for the Grand Cherokee, which is our DD's shorter twin in many ways?...because the market is willing to support the price difference. Not sure why, but some buyers are both able and willing to pay more for the Jeep.
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Where's China when you need them!... kidding...but it would be nice to know how much these are costing Arrington and BlackOps and what's their profit margin. I know the volume is super low for Durangos, but I can get a 3 point strut bar for my other car for $160 on the low to $325 for something bling. Under $350 should be doable for our Ds. I know if you go tubular you have to bend it and weld it, but you save a ton in material since you don't have to hog out a big chunk of aluminum. I just want one daddy!
I would say Arringtons brace cost well under 100.00 after R&D costs easily.
 
not Steve (thank GAWD) :cool: but IMHO if you're lifted you'll never feel any handling improvement from strut tower braces.

Whether the braces will help spread the stresses from being lifted, I dunno..
 
nothing wrong with a bit of cool hardware..

my '07 (the WK generation GC) came with a strut brace from the factory. looked a bit strange to not see it under the hood of the '14 ..
 
I have to put it to the BlackOps guys, their email response to me was SUPER fast. I shot them over a question about the tower brace availability.

They will start taking orders on Sept 1. Delivery times will vary once they get some orders in (I assume to gauge demand) and then start making them.
 
I was thinking about pulling the trigger on the arrington for $450 but now I am thinking I should wait.
 
BlackOps $$ ??? 4-5 hundred?
 
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