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Merry Christmas everyone.

I went out last night to turn off the Christmas lights and found my D had joined in the festivities.

The back up lights were on so I fired up the D, shifted the tranny, nothing.

I then tried to pull the fuse and the lights were still on.

Any ideas. The truck is on a trickle charger right now.

Thanks.
 
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tomk said:
What year/engine?

The only thing that comes to mind is the transmission switch/sensor but that varies by year and engine.
We've had a lot of snow lately and the truck is filthy, would that affect it?

2003 5.9L R/T

I pulled the rear lights this morning and took out the bulbs. The passenger side socket was corroded so I left the socket out and put the drivers side bulb back in. No change, still on.

I've taken out the bulbs for now.
 
Your backup switch is the neutral safety switch on the driver's side of the tranny. It does 2 functions, back-up lights and sensing park/neutral to safely start the D. To change it you'll loose about a quart of tranny fluid. Easy without skid plates, a little tougher with them.
 
you should be able to pull the connector off the transmission switch and see that the lights go out; this would finger the switch as the culprit.

Connector should look like this.

Are you saying the backup lights are on even with the key off?

That's not good. The feed for that circuit is only on with the key in the RUN position.

Any shorts in your trailer wiring or any wiring damage?
 

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tomk said:
Are you saying the backup lights are on even with the key off?

That's not good. The feed for that circuit is only on with the key in the RUN position.

Any shorts in your trailer wiring or any wiring damage?
Yes!

When I went inside, the lights were off. When I came back out, the lights were on.

I pulled the fuse and the lights were still on.

I did leave the trailer hitch adapter in and that thought came to my mind as well so I pulled it out this morning.

I'm taking the D to a car wash later today or tomorrow for a thorough wash down, including the trailer hitch wiring harness.

UPDATE:
OK, I washed everything down, took out the trailer hitch wiring harness fuse, and no change.

I'll have to check the transmission switch when I get back home.
 
Seems like the tranny switch wouldn't be it if they're on with the key off. Something else must be up.

But disconnecting the tranny switch will probably give us a hint.

Posted from 34,000ft! :)

?tom
 
Isn't that a constant ground light, meaning the tranny switch makes the ground circuit?
My guess is a short in the taillight assemble itself or the trailer wiring making a ground to the light socket at all times.
Steve
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I'd really clean out the lamp sockets so that there's no corrosion left between the contacts.
 
Ok, lets look at the known facts.<ul>The lights came on by themselves while the truck was sitting parked.

They stay on with the ignition switch OFF and the fuse pulled (i.e. no normal source of battery power to the lamps.)

The D's been driven in heavy snow conditions recently.

He left the tow harness adapter plugged in and the tow harness shares electrical connections with the rear lights to power the trailer lamps.[/list]So?

While it's always possible it could be something else, the evidence is highly suggestive that a short has developed in the shared wiring between the tow harness and the rear lights that's allowing battery voltage to find it's way to the backup lights from a "powered" lead in the towing harness (possible due to build up of wet snow somewhere in the wires between the tow harness and the lights??) Other than the shared leads from the rear lights (and we already know pulling the fuse for the lights doesn't kill power to the backup lamps) the only other source of power in the tow harness comes from the trailer fuse in the PDC. I'd suggest pulling that fuse and see if that kills the power to the lights.

If so, then your short is gonna be in the tow harness wiring and, as long as you don't need to tow anything until then, you can just leave that particular fuse out until the weather warms up so you can crawl under your D and locate/fix the problem.

If pulling the trailer fuse doesn't help, then you've got a short to a power source somewhere else that's likely gonna be a PITA to track down!
 
on an '03, the switch in the Transmission Range Sensor applies switched +12 to the bulb, the other side of the bulb being grounded.

If you pull the TRS connector and the lights stay on, you have a short somewhere between that connector and the bulb.
 
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