Tell me about it.. I had a opportunity to buy a brand new 21 srt392 last year for 65k decently loaded. Didn't go for it. Now I got a custom order for a 22 r/t 😭 in production...still have time to regret but most likely it's gonna be an r/t
What is everyone currently paying? MSRP has crept up more than I thought.
I have a Loaded 2018 R/T that I am generally happy and starting to think about a replacement for. When it comes to another Durango, I put the Tow and Go as a must have option to stay in a Durango. My god though, I priced one yesterday and the R/T Plus with T&G gets up towards $70k MSRP faster than a non-SRT has any business getting to. I get it, supply chain, low inventory, but this thing is basically unchanged in many, many years. I see some dealers have a bunch of different rebates but I would be interested to hear what T&G are actually transacting at right now. Thanks. Also considering a bunch of others that aren't always a direct competitor such as Grand Cherokee L, Explorer ST, and Outer Banks Bronco.
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I Just looked up my r/t build from 2021 with Town N Go Then I went on the web site and built it and the difference was only $1,638.00. But it didn't allow me to pick red brembo or Harmon kardon those were 395 and 1,065.00. So if those items were available it looks like a price increase is just over 5% . Its the package options that are inflating the price and if you shop around and can travel to pick it up there is plenty of info posted of what dealers give the best deals and you should hopefully get 5% less . The real increase is if you finance vs. paying cash the banks make the money on interest
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Dealers in NJ are slow (if at all) in discounting anything but they are again back to klling you on a trade in.
Find a dealer that's not going to charge you over MSRP. I ordered a '23 Hemi Orange R/T with the Tow-N-Go in late October and it's $62k... that's before regional discounts, and the dealer already told me they'd discount it further. This is in a Philadelphia sales zone, so not far from you. Maybe consider dropping the "Plus" part of the package if you need to get your number down by a fair amount.
If you can find a T&G on a dealer lot, consider yourself lucky. Most dealers will not carry them, as it is another "special" option, and well worth it. Expect to have them order one, which is good because you can configure it with what you want, but expect to pay MSRP or better. 2022 orders are closed. 2023 orders are availabe, but expect 4 to 6 months before delivery.
I was comparing it to my 2018 AWD with Tech/Blacktop/Tow/Second Row Captains, & Sunroof which was MSRP $54,565I Just looked up my r/t build from 2021 with Town N Go Then I went on the web site and built it and the difference was only $1,638.00. But it didn't allow me to pick red brembo or Harmon kardon those were 395 and 1,065.00. So if those items were available it looks like a price increase is just over 5% . Its the package options that are inflating the price and if you shop around and can travel to pick it up there is plenty of info posted of what dealers give the best deals and you should hopefully get 5% less . The real increase is if you finance vs. paying cash the banks make the money on interest
To get Tech package and Sunroof on 2022 means R/T Plus which starts at $58,590 + 2nd Row Captains + Tow n Go, + Blacktop = MSRP $68970!
The 2022/23 is not a totally different vehicle than the 2018 other than the dash. Its kind of still annoying that for over $60k you don't get even some sort of camera based forward emergency braking, my daughters $22k Hyundai has it standard, so does most of the competitors. I really love the vehicle but I just am not feeling it for non-SRT at the price point of almost $70k. There is a bunch more competition up at that number.I was comparing it to my 2018 AWD with Tech/Blacktop/Tow/Second Row Captains, & Sunroof which was MSRP $54,565
To get Tech package and Sunroof on 2022 means R/T Plus which starts at $58,590 + 2nd Row Captains + Tow n Go, + Blacktop = MSRP $68970!
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For a vehicle to be in production for 8 + years with literally minimal changes, this is all a money grab for Dodge. I would bet a 68k R/T TnG cost Dodge 35k to build and ship.
Seems auto manufacturers love that 100 percent markup.
Seems auto manufacturers love that 100 percent markup.
INSANE...makes a Hyundai Palisade look like a bargain.
I know...no V8 rumble...looks like they are going to make us Pay to play with V8's.
I know...no V8 rumble...looks like they are going to make us Pay to play with V8's.
I would pay to NOT have this "feature," to be honest... I had Volvo S60 Polestar with forward emergency braking, and it nearly ripped my head off coming to a panic stop because a horse was grazing behind a fence that was close to the road. I was in absolutely no danger, but the system completely misread the situation... since it was a Polestar, it had massive performance brakes, and if there was a car behind me, I would have instantly been rear ended.Its kind of still annoying that for over $60k you don't get even some sort of camera based forward emergency braking
All of which to say, I'll gladly skip all the nannies in the "Plus" package and save $5k or so.
I think that's oversimplifying things a little:For a vehicle to be in production for 8 + years with literally minimal changes, this is all a money grab for Dodge.
- Parts costs aren't what they were 8 years ago.
- Labor costs aren't what they were 8 years ago.
- The DD underwent a significant interior redesign less than 2 years ago.
- No other automaker offers a V8-based, 3-row SUV at comparable price points.
- No other automaker offers a 3-row SUV with a comparable, 8,700-pound tow rating at these price points.
The audio systems they use are dirt cheap.I think that's oversimplifying things a little:
Are the chassis, powertrain, body, etc. largely bought and paid for? Of course. But we're still getting a lot of SUV for the money, and many reviews still rate it better than the competition when it comes to driving dynamics, handling, peformance, etc. even when compared to models that are new from the ground up.
- Parts costs aren't what they were 8 years ago.
- Labor costs aren't what they were 8 years ago.
- The DD underwent a significant interior redesign less than 2 years ago.
- No other automaker offers a V8-based, 3-row SUV at comparable price points.
- No other automaker offers a 3-row SUV with a comparable, 8,700-pound tow rating at these price points.
Electronics they use are the same for years
Parts prices are more expensive today but the cost of powertrain, body, seating etc have all reduced to peanuts as compared to a newly designed vehicle.
I still stand by my 50 percent off sticker is the true build cost give or take 10 percent.
Dodge has increased prices dramaticallty to keep up with part pricing, chip shortage and (China driven) supply chain issues. Dodge has the highest delivery charge as well and are using non Union trucks. Another money grab.
I personally don't care what Dodge makes on the Durango but I do care about quality and useability for everything I pay for and every option I purchase.
As far as I know...profits from Ram, Jeep, Dodge in N.America carried the rest of FCA...and I'd bet the same is true today for Stellantis. The e revolution is going to be funded by gas vehicles...and that upcoming e-Charger is going to cost a pretty penny to develop/build.
You have a lot of 'personal preference' in there, and that's to each individual. I was sort of in the same 'boat' when ordering my 22 TnG... But for me, the $4,500 or so for the 'Plus' and $1,700 for the 'Blacktop' I could easily do without, that was 6k+ eliminated for me and I found a dealer that I could order under MSRP.
This whole E thing is totlay crap and mroe of a money grab by dealers.
Thereis a Ford dealer selling a lightning F150 with a 20k Markup. WTF
Thereis a Ford dealer selling a lightning F150 with a 20k Markup. WTF
Dealers in NJ are slow (if at all) in discounting anything but they are again back to klling you on a trade in.
Ditto in FL, when I was considering an DDSRT, I was looking out of state.
A few months ago I purchased my '22 TNG for about $6k under msrp in Minnesota. But it looks like R/T inventory has gone down since then and I don't see those deals now. I bought the TNG because of the combination of 3 row seating, V8 power, towing, and driving experience that you can't get with any other vehicle at this price point. Are current prices a money grab? It's supply and demand. There will be money on the hood this winter and moving forward if buyers dry up.
We have it but it’s permanently off (it will still alert and go crazy, just won’t slam on the brakes). Completely intrusive system that panic brakes when it doesn’t need to (cars turning off in front of you too slowly will cause the thing to lose its mind). It might work for a completely inept driver but the current iterations are not great and brake far too early.I would pay to NOT have this "feature," to be honest... I had Volvo S60 Polestar with forward emergency braking, and it nearly ripped my head off coming to a panic stop because a horse was grazing behind a fence that was close to the road. I was in absolutely no danger, but the system completely misread the situation... since it was a Polestar, it had massive performance brakes, and if there was a car behind me, I would have instantly been rear ended.
All of which to say, I'll gladly skip all the nannies in the "Plus" package and save $5k or so.
Or just add brembos to your R/T and keep it moving. There is no performance gains between the two. I have a loaded 2018 complete with rear captain chairs and DVD. I added brembos and its practically the same car without all the markup. Yes I don't have the updated front end but I don't care for the new front end. I do like the new radio and interior layout but the radios have been problematic. So aside from the suspension and a few other changes I can't justify getting a tow n go and losing features as rear DVD is no longer offered and paying almost $70k.
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