Yeah, it's a bit expensive...but It's not going to make me hate my Durango and run out and buy a GM or Ford just because they offer 2 extra years of it for free. If you don't want to spend the money, is it really a necessity? If you really hate it that much, with used car values these days you can trade it in early and probably have some equity in it.

 

I had to say something here.. lol, 1st can’t justify getting ripped off, speak up, or nothing will get done, price match competition is the name of the game. I would switch car companies as well for 1 year of a subscription vs 3 years, only if you grew up with money would you think the opposite. Others value every dollar we spend. That’s how things go up in price, and then the wealthy complain when they get robbed or jacked.. ect.. because you agree with these rip offs, think of the whole picture… apps should be free period!!! Especially if you paid an arm and a leg for your dream car, and then find out you gotta pay more for this and that, on top of getting fisted at the dealership ect.. come on bro, don’t be a drone, another worker bee!

 

It says right on the window sticker that a Sirius XM Guardian services trial subscription is included, but it doesnt say for how long....

 

Hate to break it to you but every manufacture is planning this in the future. Paid subscriptions to the computer in your car is a future Billion dollar business. All auto manufactures are planning on holding car buyers hostage too App stores.

 

Yup. Every one of them. BMW is even putting their heated seats behind a subscription. Welcome to the connected age.

 

Wait for the subscription on brakes, that would be a big money maker.

 

i know who's window my vehicle will be going thru if that's the case.

 

its even better for the '21 and '22 models. we get a 6 month subscription on ours.

you have to know how to play the SiriusXM game.

1) wait until your subscription expires. or they have sent you the 2nd or 3rd notice that it's about to expire. these envelopes tend to be yellow.

2) Google search SiriusXM discount or Sirius Guardian discount or whatever you're after and see what deals others have worked out.

3) call SiriusXM and talk to them until they send you over to the 'Retention Dept' or whatever they're currently calling it. Bonus: these people almost always speak American English.

4) tell them you'll keep the service if a) you can get (x) deal and b) if they will send you a paper bill and you can send them a check.

always insist on paying SiriusXM by check. tell them you're bank account has been hacked before and you don't trust ANYBODY with your card or bank info. (Pro Tip: don't mention the continuous stream of Amazon Prime boxes that show up at your front door)

Its a little bit of a hassle yes. but you only have to do it 1 time a year. I've done this since 2014 and gotten a steep yearly discount every single time.

 

So how much the annual subscription?

 

Every manufacturer is doing that nowadays. At least we are still lucky that we can still use the remote start in the key fob vs. Toyota which is making the remote start by the key fob a paid subscription too.

 

Every manufacturer is doing that nowadays. At least we are still luck that we can still use the remote start in the key fob vs. Toyota who is making the remote start by the key fob a paid subscription too.

This. My wife's Lexus - have to pay to remote start it period. No remote option. I never understood either really. I would start it as I'm walking to it - 30 seconds to get oil pressure up - but starting it from your phone seems like a waste on many fronts.

 

What's wrong with using the key? You still have to have that to drive the vehicle.
Unless the Uconnect phone app provides a much greater range?

 

The app allows you to start/unlock etc your car from anywhere. My wife somehow managed to lock her keys in the car about 2 hours from home. I called uconnect, paid for a monthly subscription, and unlocked the car.

1949 International KB2, 302/T5
1968 Dodge Dart GTS, 340/727
2006 Dodge Magnum R/T "SRT Design"
2016 Dodge Durango Limited

 

Ditto to what others have said. So, you are pissed at FCA/Stellantis. Go dump your Durango and get a Toyota. Did you read how they are thinking about not just a subscription fee like the others, but they had talked about going back retroactively on say a 2018 or 2019 buyer, and charging them if they wanted to retain their remote start feature? Others have contemplated going back retroactively on things like "Oh, you want your heated & ventilated seats, heated steering wheel to keep working?", and if so, pay up monthly. I fully understand if you know this going in up front, as with a Sirius/UConnect "trial" subscription that must be renewed, but when you have bought and paid for a vehicle upfront, knowing it has certain features, then for a company to go back years later and hold those features "hostage" with a "pay up or lose them" approach seems illegal to me. I negotiated a price and bought a product with the understanding that the features of that product would work for the life of the product - not allowing a company to go back after time and ask for more $$$.

 

Uconnect has been this way forever.
if you want crazy, Honda requires a subscription to use your damn keyfob to start your vehicle.

 

I will say it really sucks that Dodge wants us to renew when Sirius Guardian is terrible. Mine has not updated in 2 months and do you really trust the theft tracking would really work? I think a DDHC owner tried the tracking with Uconnect and it was a bust. For us early adopters of the UC5 10.1" system Dodge should provide a discount on Sirius Guardian renewals. If they do not (I will try) then that is another thing Dodge sucks at, customer care and support.

 

Sirius Guardian has different package levels. I would only go with the lower priced Remote package if they will give me a yearly price.

the higher priced packages have features that I agree with Vice-White on. some of those I don't want or wouldn't use and yes we have had at least 1 member try to use it to locate a stolen vehicle and said it was worthless.

 

Sirius Guardian has different package levels. I would only go with the lower priced Remote package if they will give me a yearly price.

the higher priced packages have features that I agree with Vice-White on. some of those I don't want or wouldn't use and yes we have had at least 1 member try to use it to locate a stolen vehicle and said it was worthless.



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Where did you get that pricing? When I log into mopar.com and check the pricing is the same but ONLY the $25.99/mo package includes remote start. The cheapest package is security only.

 

$13 a month to remotely start my Vehicle? Hard pass. I guess there are suckers everywhere. Must be the same guys that enjoy the broken Uconnect 10.1 POS.

 

The subscription applies only to use of the phone app, right? The button on the fob is still free, I would assume.

 

I may be confused, but my remote start works just fine, and I've had my RT for 13 months now.

 

Applies to use of RS on the app only. Key fob should work just fine, unless you have a Toyota... They are talking about retroactively going back a few years and extorting $ to keep even the key fob feature working! Think because of the uproar they kind of backed off on that from what I read.

 

Reeeee! What a bitch that is. I guess the key fob is just too hard.🙁

 

LMFAO. Easy to get your cunts all in a bunch. I vented, and the whole internet goes down.

 

I hope you at least see the irony in your statement. See your first post for more details.

 

So that's what happened to it! I was not a fan. I would bend over with the key in my pocket and hear the car start in the garage. GRRR. I thought it was dangerous because the garage is under our bedroom. I read the manual from cover to cover but never could figure how to disengage it and my dealer (God love'em because I sure don't) was no help. You've answered my question.

 

I would bend over with the key in my pocket and hear the car start in the garage.

That's not from the uConnect app, that is because you are hitting the button on the fob. I do that occasionally too.

 

Either wait for the next 'Hack' or buy into to the META universe (Allegedly of course)

 

So, I'm thinking, aftermarket remote? Don't know if thats even possible now with all the deliberate money-making technology built in. Ah, just give me the 'good ol' days'. It's bad enough not being able to do so much of the do-it-yourself repairs and maintenance. I just hope my 02 DD outlasts me.

 

This is why I still own a '86 Mercury and '93 Volvo. After seeing what a mistake it was in buying an '07 Silverado 1500 4x4 brand new, I've decided to keep those 2 vehicles the rest of my life. The Merc has 286k miles on the ORIGINAL driveline - engine, tranny, rear end - AND in-tank electric fuel pump. Best part is we paid $2,200 for it in January of 2003. That was just FIVE payments on the Silverado!!

The Silverado didn't even reach 40k miles on the lower ball joints, 50k on the uppers and front struts, started burning oil around that time, hub bearings failed at 70k, rear end at 97k, and transmission at 103k. This thing has cost me more money than ANYTHING I have ever bought in my life. Would've been more cost effective to buy TEN boats! To add salt to the wound, years after I bought it, I discovered the architecture GM built this with. If a door switch, or the fuel pump control module (Whatever happened to the simple & cheap cube relay that worked just fine for 20+ years?) fails, you go to the parts store, buy a new one for 3-figures, install it ... and discover it won't work. The BCM (Body Control Module) needs a reflash in order to accept the new parts, otherwise they won't work! There aren't many shops in my area that even own a J-box for programming (I plan on buying one as soon as I can ... but they've changed things yet again on the '11+ with Global-A architecture). Pay over a grand for the J-box, then a laptop, then you need to BUY the information from GM to download to the laptop, then upload from the laptop through the J-box into your vehicle's computer(s).

It's become pretty clear that the auto industry has become a giant money-grabbing racket on a scale most people don't even fathom. The build quality alone today is evidence of that, but this whole paying subscription fees for features on a vehicle you just paid $60-$100-LARGE for is the icing on the friggin cake!

I decided back in 2010 that my next "new" vehicle I would build myself. Glad I did! Hey, auto industry!🖕🖕

 

It seems you've realized that auto manufacturers are capitalists. And if I had to guess, you're not opposed to capitalism. From the tone of your post, it seems like they've tapped into something you like, and it would be painful to let it go. Mission accomplished. FWIW, my GM product had free OnStar for 5 years. Last year, it expired. I appreciate the app functions so much I purchased another 5 years and got on with my life.

Try it. It's liberating.

 

Nope - I've realized automakers are SCUMBAGS. The mission is no longer building something people want - it's grabbing every last nickel from them and giving them a gigantic headache that will dissolve in road salt in 10 years flat. That's not capitalism - it's CRONY capitalism. It's a reflection of our moral-less society.

Something I like? I like a vehicle that starts and runs, and gets me to where I need to go RELIABLY. I also like A/C and a radio. Beyond that, I couldn't give a sh!t.

I never bought OnStar - I pulled the fuse the second the truck got here from the dealership day one. Was nothing I needed or wanted, and I didn't appreciate it's tentacles all throughout my vehicle. I bought a truck to drive and to make money with - not to be bilked and surveilled.

It's attitudes like yours that will embolden automakers to keep screwing the public every chance they get. They're just getting started, too. Mark my words. $100k for a new vehicle and you'll have to pay to get the radio to turn on. Far fetched? Sounds it 30 years ago. Today, not so much!

 

Nope - I've realized automakers are SCUMBAGS. The mission is no longer building something people want - it's grabbing every last nickel from them and giving them a gigantic headache that will dissolve in road salt in 10 years flat. That's not capitalism - it's CRONY capitalism. It's a reflection of our moral-less society.

Something I like? I like a vehicle that starts and runs, and gets me to where I need to go RELIABLY. I also like A/C and a radio. Beyond that, I couldn't give a sh!t.

I never bought OnStar - I pulled the fuse the second the truck got here from the dealership day one. Was nothing I needed or wanted, and I didn't appreciate it's tentacles all throughout my vehicle. I bought a truck to drive and to make money with - not to be bilked and surveilled.

It's attitudes like yours that will embolden automakers to keep screwing the public every chance they get. They're just getting started, too. Mark my words. $100k for a new vehicle and you'll have to pay to get the radio to turn on. Far fetched? Sounds it 30 years ago. Today, not so much!

Well, you liked it at one time, or you wouldn't have bought it in the first place. It didn't develop these features and options over time. And if you never used them, then nothing of value has been lost by the expiry of those time-based features.

I've driven basic, shitty cars my whole life because until about 10 years ago, I couldn't afford anything in the upper echelon. I like heated seats. I like cooled seats. I like being able to unlock my car with my cell phone. Even as someone who lived an austere lifestyle for decades, that's a feature I'm willing to pay for -- even on a subscription basis -- because it makes my life easier. But because no one is twisting your arm, you could continue to drive a Dodge Tradesman 100 van. And assuming you carry a cellphone, it's much easier to be surveilled that way than through OnStar.

 

Buy a Toyota if you want a car that runs and runs. They actually take the time to learn and perfect their cars. They’re completely numb and uninspiring but if you want a car that runs and runs, get one.

I’d never drive a car from the 80s or early 90s just based on safety advancements. Not worth my life or limb.