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#1 ·
Hi I’m new here. I have a 01 Durango SLT 4.7l 4wd. 137k miles
I was having a shifting issue, so I changed the tps, iacv, iat (I believe the air sensor in the intake), cleaned the intake, gas cap, evap purge, waiting for the map sensor.

it ran like a new, drove it for like 2 days and changed the sparkplugs to ngk zfr6f11g.
It had the Champion Rc12mcc4 and they where shot. But now it seems like it’s not as peppy as with the champion plugs.

Any idea why? I’m about to just go buy new champion plugs and put back in.
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#2 ·
I would say the shifting issue would be that the transmission needed service and the bands adjusted. This should be in the Gen 1 sub-forum.
 
#4 ·
Well, that's good. Then someone will chime in on whether you have the wrong plugs. There are some year engines that require certain types of plugs. Are you sure they are gapped correctly?
 
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#6 ·
Then beware of aftermarket sensors as those are know to be problematic. This forum recommends factory sensors when they need to be replaced.
 
#8 ·
Un huh. You get what you pay for, right? Really, the experience here is that factory sensors are best so you might have a flaky aftermarket one you put in.
 
#10 ·
Red01:
The 4.7L is not fond of platinum plugs. You'll get the best bang for your buck, by going back in with new oem Champion Coppers.
The TPS is a go to item with you have trans shifting issues.

BTW:
The 4.7L has the 45RFE trans behind it. No band adjustments required on these, like on the older 42/44/46RE trans.

Don
 
#12 ·
Red01:
The 4.7L is not fond of platinum plugs. You'll get the best bang for your buck, by going back in with new oem Champion Coppers.
The TPS is a go to item with you have trans shifting issues.

BTW:
The 4.7L has the 45RFE trans behind it. No band adjustments required on these, like on the older 42/44/46RE trans.

Don
I think what I put in was copper. And yeah the old tps was cracked in the notches. Changed it out and shifted better.
 
#14 ·
The 45RFE is a great trans but the shaft speed sensors can go bad and when they do you will go into limp mode. The OEM accumulator plate is weak and tends to deform as. I installed a transgo kit in my 99 WJ 4.7 and definitely improved shifts. BTW you could pull the negative cable on the battery to reset adaptives learned by the PCM. I also upgraded my 45RFE to a 545RFE (gave me a 5th gear) by swapping the TCM and having the PCM flashed.
 
#16 ·
Red01:
Unless someone changed the TCM along the way, what you have is a 5 speed trans, that only uses 4 gears, so to speak. It's my understanding, that the 45RFE and 545RFE are internally the same. If you floor it to pass, with the 45RFE, there is a slightly lower gear that comes into play, to give you a bit sharper throttle response in those instances.

From the Mopar Allpar page:

"The 45RFE automatic transmission had three planetary gear sets instead of the two usually used in a four-speed automatic; that would, in time, allow it to become a six-speed. It included three multiple disc input clutches, three multiple disc holding clutches, and a dual internal filter system - one for the transmission sump, the other for the fluid cooler return system.

The transmission used four forward gears in normal acceleration, with a different second gear used for "kickdown" acceleration. Despite using five forward ratios, Chrysler played it safe and called it a "4-speed automatic."

In 2001, with programming changes and an extra, taller overdrive ratio, the 545RFE was born. With the change to overdrive, cruising at 70 miles per hour (110 km/h) with a standard axle ratio would yield 2000 rpm at the engine, about 200 rpm less than the 45RFE, cutting fuel use and noise. Now, it had six forward speeds - again, one reserved for kickdowns.

The 545RFE's engineering reached back to the rock-solid Torqueflites, but it brought the design up to date. Chrysler boasted of its tall 3.00:1 first gear for initial acceleration. Reverse was equal to the first gear to accommodate heavy loads. At the time it was launched, it had the widest range of gear ratios in its class; and its factory was brand new at launch.

"The 545RFE has two overdrive gears that are fairly close to each other; engineer Bob Sheaves explained that this was because of the size available - the top 0.67:1 ratio gear was likely chosen because that was the largest one that could fit without making the transmission too large for the company's vehicles.

Some models had a "Tow/Haul" mode made faster shifts to cut wear on the transmission, and reduced gear searching by holding lower gears longer, also choosing lower gears when going downhill to increase engine braking.

In 2006, Chrysler claimed that the transmission had been "refined for higher-quality shifts;" it was strong enough to give the Jeep Commander and Grand Cherokee class-leading towing capacity of 7,200 lbs. The changes included a redesigned solenoid for quieter shifting (ending "solenoid clatter"), and a turbine damper to cut noise and vibration from the torque converter.

The computer controlled 545RFE was kept in a shiny, one-piece die-cast aluminum casing, ribbed for increased torsional rigidity. It took 6.2 liters (6.6 quarters) of ATF+4 fluid; early units could take ATF+3.

Gear ratios were aimed at providing reserve torque. The transmission was well suited for the large torque band of the Hemi V8, 3.7 V6, 4.7 V8, and VM 2.8 diesel.

In 2009, the computer was programmed to let drivers select the highest gear the transmission would shift to, for easier towing, hill climbing, and hill descent. "


Don
 
#17 ·
Red01:
Unless someone changed the TCM along the way, what you have is a 5 speed trans, that only uses 4 gears, so to speak. It's my understanding, that the 45RFE and 545RFE are internally the same. If you floor it to pass, with the 45RFE, there is a slightly lower gear that comes into play, to give you a bit sharper throttle response in those instances.

From the Mopar Allpar page:

"The 45RFE automatic transmission had three planetary gear sets instead of the two usually used in a four-speed automatic; that would, in time, allow it to become a six-speed. It included three multiple disc input clutches, three multiple disc holding clutches, and a dual internal filter system - one for the transmission sump, the other for the fluid cooler return system.

The transmission used four forward gears in normal acceleration, with a different second gear used for "kickdown" acceleration. Despite using five forward ratios, Chrysler played it safe and called it a "4-speed automatic."

In 2001, with programming changes and an extra, taller overdrive ratio, the 545RFE was born. With the change to overdrive, cruising at 70 miles per hour (110 km/h) with a standard axle ratio would yield 2000 rpm at the engine, about 200 rpm less than the 45RFE, cutting fuel use and noise. Now, it had six forward speeds - again, one reserved for kickdowns.

The 545RFE's engineering reached back to the rock-solid Torqueflites, but it brought the design up to date. Chrysler boasted of its tall 3.00:1 first gear for initial acceleration. Reverse was equal to the first gear to accommodate heavy loads. At the time it was launched, it had the widest range of gear ratios in its class; and its factory was brand new at launch.

"The 545RFE has two overdrive gears that are fairly close to each other; engineer Bob Sheaves explained that this was because of the size available - the top 0.67:1 ratio gear was likely chosen because that was the largest one that could fit without making the transmission too large for the company's vehicles.

Some models had a "Tow/Haul" mode made faster shifts to cut wear on the transmission, and reduced gear searching by holding lower gears longer, also choosing lower gears when going downhill to increase engine braking.

In 2006, Chrysler claimed that the transmission had been "refined for higher-quality shifts;" it was strong enough to give the Jeep Commander and Grand Cherokee class-leading towing capacity of 7,200 lbs. The changes included a redesigned solenoid for quieter shifting (ending "solenoid clatter"), and a turbine damper to cut noise and vibration from the torque converter.

The computer controlled 545RFE was kept in a shiny, one-piece die-cast aluminum casing, ribbed for increased torsional rigidity. It took 6.2 liters (6.6 quarters) of ATF+4 fluid; early units could take ATF+3.

Gear ratios were aimed at providing reserve torque. The transmission was well suited for the large torque band of the Hemi V8, 3.7 V6, 4.7 V8, and VM 2.8 diesel.

In 2009, the computer was programmed to let drivers select the highest gear the transmission would shift to, for easier towing, hill climbing, and hill descent. "


Don
That was very informative sir
 
#21 ·
I checked the gap on the driver side and as far as I could tell it was around .40 to 44. I went ahead and got the Delphi TPS and changed it out, it seems to be better. But I didn’t drive it far like 4 miles home after I changed it. I’ll drive to work In the morning and see. It seemed to drive better.
but I still think it might of had more pep with the worn out Champion plugs tho.
 
#22 ·
Could it be the difference in heat range between Champion (tad hotter) and NGK (tad cooler)?

ngk zfr6f11g - heat range of 6

Champion Rc12mcc4 - heat range of 12

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#25 ·
When I had my '01, I located the Champion Platinum plug that was equivalent to the oem Champion Copper. I ran them for 35-40k without issue. Quite a few 4.7L owners back in the day though, complained of rough running, misfires, and hard starts with whatever whizbang plug they had installed. Swapping back to the Champion Coppers, cleared up the issue(s) quite a few folks were having.

Here is the thread where I installed them. RC12PYP. Around 5 years later, I pulled them and went back with the Champion Coppers.


Don