Thanks for sharing. Interesting and it does seem he makes some very valid points. Another interesting point is it seems the very original 03 and 04s don't seem to have the cam issue compared to later model years like 2010 and up? And I have 2 hemi's. An old one and a new one[emoji50]

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Yeah but the old ones had valve seat issues. Every engine has its problems. You have options- sit and worry and be paranoid, get it fixed, or just have fun. It'sa very small number of failures for how many of these engines are out there.

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Just to be clear, I’m not nervous or paranoid or anything. Just saw that video on my YouTube suggestions and found it interesting. To be honest I didn’t even know camshafts were a problem on these.

 

Is this a legit issue??? question for the highly technical guys on this site!

I would have assumed that his analysis/explanation is so simple that any decent engineer would know this and that they have actually done their homework in the form of directed oil passages or such. Not that I design engines but I'm a fair mechanical inclined person and I wouldn't have committed such simple fallacy, I hope

Other engines with overhead cams do survive as oil is channeled directly to the faces where the lubricant is needed and not counting on oil being splashed onto a cam, or am I missing something?

My RT is close to 40K and so far nothing to comment in this or any other matter, oh maybe the starting clatter

So Don and others do we have a real problem, should be more than a few engines before calling it a problem IMHO

Preben

 

I'm not nervous or paranoid either...thus why I encouraged my wife to buy a hemi. Lol. This issue is in the back of my mind tho. A year ago helped my nephew with his 2012 Ram and pulled engine to replace cam and lifters. So I have been there and seen it. A search will bring up alot of posts and videos on the subject. Could be why oil viscosity was changed from a 30 to a 20 weight way back when...? . .

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what an interesting video with great points he makes

 

Watching the video, the fellow seems to raise some plausible points. If we compare the number of failed engines to the overall number of engines produced, I can't imagine that the percentage is very high. Granted, if one ends up being the proud owner of a Hemi that fails out of warranty, having been treated well, it would not sit well with most folks.

The Hemi in my '04 Durango dropped a valve at 39K for the original owner. The 7/70 PT warranty took care of the $4800 bill for him minus the $100 deductible. To date, my '14 Charger R/T at just over 50K, purrs like a kitten. I have the Lifetime Max Care, so I figure if/when it happens, it will cost me $100, or the next owner will have to deal with it.

Don

 

Yeah I hadn’t really heard of this issue, now that I search it I do see it’s a thing, not sure how common. As Don said probably a small percentage.

 

I've got 94k on my 07 Hemi and 43k on the 14. Both run like a top! Not worried about either really.

 

The basic architecture of the gen 3 has been around for what, 17 years? It's found its way into a LOT of vehicles...so maybe there are millions in service? If this was 2005, I'd probably watch with more interest, but seriously this video is filled with WGAS info. It's like someone in the late 1990's proclaiming the siamesed exhaust ports on the 30 year old gen II small block Chevy are a weak link...yeah, we get its not the best engineering solution and was corrected with the LS series, but that generation of SBC was still an outstanding engine for the era. In other words, this is someone in a hyperbolic bubble nitpicking a design at the end of its life cycle, not breaking news.

 

The basic architecture of the gen 3 has been around for what, 17 years? It's found its way into a LOT of vehicles...so maybe there are millions in service? If this was 2005, I'd probably watch with more interest, but seriously this video is filled with WGAS info. It's like someone in the late 1990's proclaiming the siamesed exhaust ports on the 30 year old gen II small block Chevy are a weak link...yeah, we get its not the best engineering solution and was corrected with the LS series, but that generation of SBC was still an outstanding engine for the era. In other words, this is someone in a hyperbolic bubble nitpicking a design end the end of its life cycle, not breaking news.

Good points. What does WGAS stand for?

 

Haha...Who Gives A S&@! Sorry for my language, Covid has got me feeling a bit spicy.

 

Haha. I see. I’m not up on the acronyms too much. Yeah the lockdowns and crap has everyone feeling a bit angry I think. In regards to the video as I said it just came on my YouTube suggestions. I’ve been watching a lot of Kenny Powers clips and goonzquad videos and vtuned garage videos so not sure why this popped up, but I hadn’t heard of this before so thought I’d share.

 

Very interesting. How many people actually have had camshaft failure? I only have 31k on my 2017 so so far so good. I pull strong and haven't seem to have lost any power.
I have heard that the Cylinder deactivation system can cause uneven wear on the camshaft and after I read that I turned off Eco mode which on mine the Cylinder deactivation system doesn't kick in. You can really feel and hear when it kicks in and when you press on the throttle when it turns off. Since I turned off ECO mode it never turns on.
I don't run Sports mode all the time either, I use it once in a while when I'm feeling ornery LOL. But usually I just drive around in ECO OFF and Sports OFF. I like how the engine feels there for comfort.
I worry slightly about this as I gotta decide if I'm keeping it or getting another one this year when my lease runs out.
I just have not read many people in here at all taking about cam issues.

 

Very interesting. How many people actually have had camshaft failure? I only have 31k on my 2017 so so far so good. I pull strong and haven't seem to have lost any power.
I have heard that the Cylinder deactivation system can cause uneven wear on the camshaft and after I read that I turned off Eco mode which on mine the Cylinder deactivation system doesn't kick in. You can really feel and hear when it kicks in and when you press on the throttle when it turns off. Since I turned off ECO mode it never turns on.
I don't run Sports mode all the time either, I use it once in a while when I'm feeling ornery LOL. But usually I just drive around in ECO OFF and Sports OFF. I like how the engine feels there for comfort.
I worry slightly about this as I gotta decide if I'm keeping it or getting another one this year when my lease runs out.
I just have not read many people in here at all taking about cam issues.

Yeah I leave eco off in ours as well. Only time I turn it on is long trips on the interstate. Rpm and oil sling is pretty good then. And yes as you say I haven’t seen anyone on here have a camshaft issue. When you google it there are posts in other forums about it. But as we said early I think we are talking about a very small percentage of these engines. If I was you I wouldn’t think about it at all when deciding on your lease.

 

Eco on or off has nothing to do with this failure. It is simple lack of lubrication.
Camshaft failure across all engines is a very low failure rate. For years engines were built with non roller lifters that ran tight on the lobes...metal running flat on metal with no bearing per say. And most of these engines wouldn't quit. For the high performance engines roller lifters were always the way to go at an added cost of course. Roller lifters should reduce friction and wear and decrease drag of the lifter on the camshaft as it rotates. In theory the hemi roller lifter camshaft is far superior to the flat non roller lifter design.
So why are these camshafts failing at low service hours and proper maintenance? If you have an interest in building engines and you find a problem it is usually readily visible to see what happened. The question is why it happened.

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Maybe the guy is looking for YouTube money!

 

Speaking of YouTube.... search hemi camshaft for vids

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just send your oil into blackstone look for rise in iron Im at 112K if I see it go up time to unload

 

Two words: Lifetime MaxCare

 

More words for you. Lifetime MaxCare doesn't exist any longer.

 

My 04 has a custom 392. I don’t think I’ll have that problem 😬

 

There is nothing in a Durango that would compel me to give away thousands of dollars today to account for the very unlikely event of a major component failure at some point in the future. I don't drive like a dunce, I use high quality parts, top tier fuel, and "the best" (haha) oil/filter. But, I'm an outlier because there isn't a system, feature, or component on this car that I wouldn't at the very least have some sweat equity in the process of repair, if not just fix it myself.

 

Well when my factory headunit took a dump I was lucky enough I was still within my bumper to bumper warranty. If not I would rather pay my MaxCare deductible than pay for diagnostic, parts, and labor to replace it and my media hub. So far I have obtained a new radiator, new trunk strut, inner trim panel that was lifting up, and the radio all thanks to warranty. So for me it was a cheap investment to know Im not spending time and money repairing issues such as those. Now my camaro is different but for the fact it cost less than 2k it was no brainer.

 

Interesting theory....though I would think police forces would have seen the highest fail rate with the high amount of idling they do.
I would still lean towards the lifter failing and its fail rate is probably right in line with its manufacturers expectation. I wonder if its more the manufacturer of the lifters not having good QC practices to catch bad production parts before they ship.
I keep hearing Crane is going to make replacement lifters....so until there is an aftermarket option, I think the cause is still not known.

That said, I have no intention to replace them. I'm at 112K and knock on wood, all is fine.
I have a '06 Hemi that has 242K, those were suppose to have valve seat issues.
So with mass production, you're going to get some bad parts here and there.

 

I have a 2019 R/T with 13k miles. Recently, I am noticing a harmonic noise, not yet a vibration at 13,000 rpm of 45-50mph. If I speed up or slow down, it goes away. I recently changed oil and filter, as I plan on a long trip next weekend, and will monitor. I suspect what this video is suggesting may be happening in my engine.

 

Are you sure the noise is from the engine howie?13,000 miles would be incredibly low to have any problems that this video talked about.

 

Best money I have ever spent on my 2011 Durango R/T. Warranty wise I have approached almost two time what I paid for the warranty. They have yet to deny anything. I keep a list of items and take it in when it builds up enough. They just put a new console in because one of the spring fingers that hold your cup in had broken. I pay my $100 deductible and walk away with a smile on my face. They still have to buy me out of it when the repair exceeds the KBB value too!!!!

 

I too have a lifetime warranty and would like to know what a NADA Retail value is and how to figure out what it would be for my DD.

Thanks

Preben

 

NADA has an app and you can plug in all info on that.