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Exhaust headers and camshaft - any impressions?

16K views 15 replies 5 participants last post by  Robfrmny21  
#1 ·
Hi,

I'm new here. I love my '14 R/T and I'd like to improve its performance but with no side effects. Firsty I thought of some supercharger, but as I know every sc makes irritating whine sound (yes, some like it, I don't), so I think that the other things that could make huge tq and power gains are better camshaft and exhaust headers. Do you have any experience with that? It's a fragile mod - using long tubes makes significant gains at mid and high revs but some losses at the lowest revs also. The same is with more aggresive cams, like 270 Comp cam. Is it right? If so maybe the best way would be short tubes (with high-flow cats) with e.g. Modern Muscle 5.7 VVT cam?
 
#3 ·
Assuming that:

Aggresive Comp cam (274) with long tubes and some minor mods can do that:

Comp Cams Hemi Phaser "274" Camshaft for VVT 5.7L & 6.4L HEMI Engines 201-428-17 274WI16

or that:

Cam for New Gen Chargers?

I would like to achieve 450 crank HP, but when something goes wrong it could be that:

2012 Challenger RT COMP 270 VVT camshaft dyno results
- where there's a significant loss under 4000rpm. I would like to avoid any tq losses, especially that our Durangos can cruise at 1500 or so rpms.

PS
The Tazer shows that my Dodge does 0 to 60 in 6,1-6,2s. My goal is to do it in low fives.
 
#6 ·
For decades long tube headers were better for low end response than shorties.
 
#7 ·
Chase300:

274 cam is too aggresive for me, besides I don't want to change rear (and front) ends it will decrease many things (like fuel consumption). I think that Modern Muscle cam would be the best https://www.modernmuscleperformance.com/product/57-hemi-vvt-na-performance-cam. It's described as "1400 to 6400rpm" what I like.

Skippy426:

I thought of it but I'm not sure if it works well. I can't find any videos behind the wheel or wide range dyno charts...

MWeed:

When you talk about inlet manifold that is true - longer runners cause more tq at low revs, shorter at high revs. In exhaust manifolds there is the opposite - short tubes make a little more backpressure which helps at low revs, long tubes are very efficient at high revs but decrease low rpm tq. AutoAnything: "(Long tubes) These are great for high-revving machines and track terrors, but they do sacrifice some of the low-RPM power that most drivers depend on. On the other side of the coin, shorty headers deliver more power horsepower and torque from idle to the mid-RPM range." But in fact I found some articles which tells something different.
 
#10 ·
Yes.
supposedly you can wire it directly in on 2013 and up model years so the ECU controls but I've not seen actual instruction or proof of that.
So what you do is install a MSD window switch and set it to turn on at 4800 rpms which is where the ECU activates it to switch from long to short runners.
 
#14 ·
If you are worried about performance, don't. The factory cat is a high flow design. Yes it is nice to have a loud exhaust, if you don't want to talk to somebody else without shouting or if you want to listen to tunes without making it loud enough to hear 3 blocks away. Besides, other folk might not like your choice of tunes. Otherwise, why not just cut them off at the Y-pipe and get it over with?