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3.0L Whipple Install on 2023 R/T T&G

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This thread is my attempt to document the install of a Gen 5 Whipple 3.0L, twin screw, positive displacement (PD) supercharger on our 2023 Durango R/T Tow & Go.

The goal here was to increase the power level of the vehicle up to (or over) an SRT 392 while maintaining driveability and without increasing the noise level of the vehicle. Hence the choice to go with a supercharger.

(Jump to post #291 for final dyno tune results)
(Jump to
post #312 for the Mighty Mouse gen 6 catch can install)

I opted to do the install myself as this is my wife’s daily driver, and I couldn’t afford for it to be at a shop for 1 – 2 weeks. Plus, doing the install myself allowed me to learn every aspect of the system so I can maintain and troubleshoot things in the future if/when there are issues.

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For details on the decision making process, and other options considered … you can read my other thread here: $10k to bring R/T TnG up to (or over) 392 SRT Power Levels

Planning & Materials

For materials, here is what I ended up buying to complete this job:
Everything else needed for the install I already had on hand, like blue LocTite, red LocTite, torque wrenches, various wrenches and sockets, breaker bar, body panel clip tools, rivnut tool, tesa tape, zip ties, soldering iron & solder, etc… etc …

The Whipple install guide does a decent job in outlining the tools and materials required, and I’ve attached the document to this post. The guide is specific for Jeep Grand Cherokee and Durango R/T, which meant there were some differences I encountered due to a T&G having the SRT front fascia and ducting. If I were to do this again, I would ask Whipple to provide me both the R/T and the SRT install guides, and also ask them if there are different Intercooler brackets for the SRT vs the R/T. If so, I’d want them to include the SRT brackets instead.

I ended up taking advantage of the Whipple black Friday sale and got 15% off the supercharger kit. I also had Whipple remove their RTD tuning solution from the package since I purchased a full HP Tuners setup myself. This reduced the cost by another $250.

For the HP Tuners setup, they will provide the PCM unlock service for free if you purchase the MPVI3 and 6 credits on the same order. Just add everything to the cart and when you check out, the cost for the unlock service will show $0 on the invoice.

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Here is the total cost, including the tools I had to buy:

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I could have paid Whipple $250 extra for an RTD tuning solution and not spent $735 with HP Tuners directly. But I paid the extra $485 so I could tune things myself in the future, or use any custom tuner I want by bringing them my interface and only paying them for their time & expertise.

The RTD solution does allow Whipple to tune your vehicle, and includes a PCM unlock … but, you are restricted to only loading Whipple’s tunes. If you go for this and want to use a custom tuner in the future, you will need to pay for additional credits for that tuner to be able to license your PCM and/or TCM. I basically wanted the full solution to have options in the future.

The Whipple kit is delivered in two large boxes, which are heavy! One box contains the supercharger itself ..

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And the 2nd box contains everything else ..

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For the install, I decided to deviate a bit from the Whipple guide. I broke this into two phases with phase 1 addressing all the peripherals which require the front fascia to be removed and phase 2 addressing the supercharger. This meant I jumped around the install guide quite a bit.


Phase 1 – Peripherals Install

As stated, this phase addressed the peripherals … so the front mount intercooler “air to fluid” heat exchanger, the intercooler fluid pump, the intercooler hoses, the MSD fuel pump controller, and all the wiring for the intercooler pump and fuel pump controller.

So I set up my working parts/tools table, and got to work.

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I started by removing the front fascia (see attached PDF for the procedure). When I removed it, the grille separated from the lower part for some reason. I imagine it may not have been fully clipped in from the factory, but was easy to remedy. When reinstalling the fascia, it’s much easier to do when these two pieces are clipped together before putting back on the body.

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I started by installing the brackets for the heat exchanger. To make room for these, you have to relocate the horns. The instructions are not very clear in a lot of places, this being one of them. It tells you to use the relocation brackets for a Durango, but doesn’t give a pic. So I grabbed two brackets and relocated the horns, then installed the heat exchanger brackets.

What I learned later on is I ended up grabbing the wrong brackets, so the horns in this picture are not oriented correctly but I didn’t know it at the time.

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#387 · (Edited)
Some more tweaks to the tune today, to address some cold engine timing issues as well as upper RPM WOT fuel drifting.

Shifting at 5800 RPM, with just under 8psi boost (7.95psi) registering at the top of the RPM range … new personal best … 4.59 second 0-60 time.

This is without brake torquing the launch. Just going from foot on brake, right to WOT, from a stand still.
 
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#392 ·
I’m seriously considering forged rotating assembly, cam, lifters, springs and rockers come July this year. If I go through with that, the boost will be upped to 12psi or so. Should be good for more than Hellcat power levels if I can get the tuning dialed in for it And keep the trans from blowing.
 
#396 ·
No regrets. Am glad I did it, and would do it again :) The way it is driving now, after I learned how to tune it myself, is just about perfect. The start up, idle, part throttle, and full throttle driving manners are really, really smooth. It feels like a factory Hellcat in how the throttle reacts and how it goes in and out of boost. Very OEM driving experience now, just with 190 extra horses :cool: .

We would not have gotten an SRT or a Hellcat because they are only offered in a 6 seat config (or 5 seat config with the light weight package). And ... they were only offered with the red leather interior. These two things were deal killers for us. If the Hellcat could have been ordered with 7 seats and black leather, I probably would have gone that route.

But the R/T (TnG) with a supercharger, gets us over SRT power levels with the potential to match the Hellcat in the future with forged internals and an active chiller unit. But that said, the R/T is cheaper on the insurance, and of course was cheaper to purchase and mod like I did.
 
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#398 ·
I dunno, I’m not building a 1/4mi car so the track times and trap speed don’t really have any interest for me. I don’t think the wife’s daily driver will ever see the drag strip lol.

The only reason it got dyno’ed was because it’s a tuning tool.

All I can say is it’s a blast to drive, with street manners on par with how a Hellcat feels, and dyno numbers which exceed the SRT.

The best 0-60 I have done is 4.59 seconds. Although to be fair, I haven’t done this again since resolving some of the throttle tip in issues I was having. I should do this again for comparison I suppose.
 
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#400 ·
Exactly. It’s the reason I told Whipple to take the RTD off my order (saving me a few bucks) and bought my own MPVI3 device instead.

And yeah, you’ll need 2 credits to register the engine PCM, and 4 credits if you want to register the transmission TCM. So 6 credits total.
 
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#405 ·
Have you ever tried wiring the AEM WB OBD signals through the CANBUS star connection behind the dash, instead of running the OBD passthrough?

I'm already running a Banks iDash, and adding the AEM passthrough adapter is going to make the connections protrude a bit too far out from the factory OBD location, so my thought is to connect the two-wire canbus output from the gauge into the canbus star connection (same location that the DiabloSport bypass module utilizes).
 
#406 ·
I haven't tried yet, but it's on my list of things to do. I'm not sure if having the SGW between the point of injection and the OBD-II DLC connector will cause a problem or not. If it does, you can tap the wires into the backside of the DLC connector itself instead of plugging to the the starbus hub. If I do this, I'll use some JST connectors to make it easy to disconnect if needed.

When using the passthrough, the gauges messaging can be picked up by HP Tuners without needing to go through the security gateway. Moving that to the hub means the SGW will then need to forward it along to the OBD DLC ... just need to test it I suppose.

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