So the Spark Plugs and Ignition Coils are due to be replaced anyway.
So I'm gonna upgrade them to the E3s and the MSDs,
and new wiring.

Today I'm gonna look at the fuel pump.

So I expect that between all 3 of these approaches,
something will present itself.

Stay TUNED!
(see how I did that)

 

Related to all this, are the Ignition Coils.
Here are the ones on the truck.
My question is:
aside from any OEM options,
are their any 3rd Party upgrades for the Ignition Coils?

 

I'd focus on the fuel pump.
To confirm its a fuel issue...spray some carb cleaner into intake and see if she tries to start...if yes, you then know its fuel related.
You can then check fuse...relay...and power at the fuel pump connector.
If you have power to the pump...pump is bad.

 

Much appreciated.
I'll work that today and report back.

I

 

Can somebody tell me what this is.
It's in front of the fuel tank.

 

IGW:
That is your evap canister. As mentioned, I would change the plugs at some point, but not the coils. They are not a common fail point. Give the bottom of the fuel tank a couple of good smacks with your fist. The pump is pretty well centered in the tank. If it starts after that, you are in for a new FP. How many miles on your '04?

Don

 

Hey Don,

Thank-you for jumping.
The mighty Durango is at 158K.

I've been a bit remise on the maintenance over the past year,
so there are a couple of passed due jobs,
on top of getting it to start - of course!


Ian

 

Okay.
Here's what I bought:
(With the Wife's blessing )

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I did the thump on the gas tank trick that Don suggested.
But got nothing.

I'll do the Carb Cleaner approach,
once the product shows up,
and report back.

Ian

 

Ian:
Ok on the thump not changing anything. I'd recommend you not use those plugs, and go back in with the oem coppers. They are great plugs! Also oem for the fuel pump, if it's bad, is preferred over after market.

If you end up dropping the tank, you may find that the pump retainer ring is a rusted mess. When I was chasing a very persistent P0456, the issue turned out to be the rusted ring, which damaged the pump housing. The pump still worked fine, but the housing was cracked creating the very minor leak indicated by the p0456.

Don

 

Hey Don.

Appreciate it.
I'll try the plugs I ordered and see what happens.
Consider me to be the Beta Tester!


I scoured for an OEM pump,
but couldn't find.
If you've got a link,
let me know.

I've seen some videos on YouTube,
and that rings gets pretty bad.
I'll wait and see what mine's like,
and go from there.

Onward and upward,

Ian

 

Those E3 plugs are pricey...like a Platinum plug....agree with Don, a standard copper plug works great in the early Hemi's.
OEM fuel pump is going to be very expensive...if you can get. In this case aftermarket is fine and will do the job.
The carb cleaner will tell you if its fuel or spark.

 

Thank-you for jumping in.
The guys on Amazon seemed to be okay with the aftermarket pump.
I guess the upside is that, if it kacks out on me,
at least I have some experience replacing it.
And after all, it's only time and money!
LOL

Ian

 

Okay.
So I got the Carb Cleaner today.

Berryman Products 0120 B-12 CHEMTOOL Carburetor, Choke & Throttle Body Cleaner, 20-Ounce aerosol (0120C) , RED

I took the Air Box Intake off.
My wife started the vehicle and put the peddle to the floor.
The valve opened and I spray the Carb Cleaner in.
But the engine didn't turn over.

What do you guys think?

 

Update.

I put a little more in,
then started it and it turned over.

So it looks like the Fuel Pump is the problem.

Ian

 

IGW:
As you look further into this, It wouldn't hurt to verify that the harness connector for the FP is getting juice before you swap the pump. My money is still on the pump, btw.

Don

 

Hey Don,

I verified the fuse as good for the Fuel Pump.
And felt a click from the Relay when the ignition was turned to the On position.
And I will check the harness for power before proceeding any further.

Much appreciated.
Have a great night.

Ian

 

Ian:
If you have not yet, read through my link on the fuel pump R and R when I was in search of the cure for my P0456.
it's a bit long, but I do go into dropping the tank, etc.

Gen 2 P0456

While it seems we have several DOC posts under the Gen 1 section for this trouble code, I haven't found a thread for it here in the Gen 2 section as of yet. My 04 continues to trip the CEL now and then with this code, and has since November of 2010. Of course, I firmly believe it's an evap hose...

www.dodgedurango.net

Don

 

Thanks Don.

Will do.
Most of the parts are showing up today.
So I'm getting the truck lifted as we speak.

I'm on the driveway since the garage is a little messy right now.
And the driveway's sloped, so I'm navigating the engineering to get the truck raised,
so I don't end up like Captain Dan.

 

I just realized that I've got 162 Lbs (27 Gallons) of full gas tank to lower,
once I get the bolts loose.
That should keep me busy.

 

As mentioned in my post, I ran it down to the point that the DTE screen read 0 miles. That was about 2.5 gallons left in there. Trust me, that tank will be a bear filled up. I'd try to empty it as much as possible before you begin.

Don

 

I've got 6 X 5 Gallon containers and pump.
I have the truck nice and lifted on 4 ramps.
Before I begin dropping the tank, I want to make sure voltage is getting right back to the tank.
I went underneath on my creeper and found a terminal at the front of the tank.
Is that the power for the pump?

Much appreciated, in advance.

Ian

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Never mind.
That is the charcoal canister connector.
Shows at 02:00.

 

Great news!
I've upgrade my membership to Premium.
It was the VIP access to the Champagne Room that hooked me.

 

Morning Ian:
Note the replaced by number , RL135549AC. I had heard that the oem pumps were scarce. The fact that the pricing is in red, and not green makes me think it might not be in stock.
This pricing, if available, is pretty good. I thought it was interesting they had a $40 core on the old pump. Mine was the same when I did it. You may want to have a new retention ring on hand. I think you can return it if not needed.

Don

 

Hey Don,

Thank-you for your wisdom and prompt replies.
It does say that it's manufactured by Mopar.
But you feel that it could be stamped Mopar and still not be OEM?

I'll pull the trigger and get the ring,
as you suggested.
I've got a little work to do until I'm ready to swap,
so the ship time shouldn't be a problem.

All right . . .
Onward and upward!

I

PS I have seen a number of complaints about the 3rd Party Pumps.
And considering the amount of work involved in swapping them - not worth the price break.

 

Agreed on oem. If it's a faux oem pump, that would just be crazy. In some cases, aftermarket places will supply the oem part under their name. That would be fine in my view. Nothing magical about oem, but when it comes to certain pieces, I hope to do it one time, and be done with it.

Don

 

Okay!
Got the tank lowered enough to pull the hose.
So I'm gonna start draining.


Stay tuned.

 

It is indeed a sad day in Durangoland.
The OEM pump is not available anywhere.

So I guess I'll install the aftermarket and hope for the best.

The bright side is that I'm now tooled up for a quick swap,
if the aftermarket fails.