Who's oil should I use in this vehicle? I see 0w20 Valvoline and Mobile 1 are the best prices
2022 Durango R/T 5.7-Engine oil manufactuar
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5W20 is still the recommended oil for the 2022+ Ram 2500 with the EZH 5.7It is interesting in that a lot of Ram owners run 5W30...claim Hemi tick is less or gone and MDS still works fine.
I wonder if that's a misprint in the owners manual. The 3.6 is also still 5W20.
If it is a misprint, they need to fix the 2023 and 2024 owner's manuals as well (I haven't looked at the 2025s). For the Durango, the 3.6 has listed 0W-20 in the owner's manuals since 2016. At least this is the case for the non-SSV/Pursuits, I haven't ever looked to see if they list different requirements.
2022 also for the V6. There's an old post in DDF that mentions it. Using 5W20 would not ruin any warranty, as they made no changes to the engines, and it would still meet the specifications. It would be no different than going from 5W20 to 5W30. As noted, the Ram 2500 EZH is still 5W20, and it's also the same exact engine. The same EZH and the ERB in the LD/LA/WK2/WD are 0W20.
It has to be a change related to fuel economy and/or cold start concerns. I think it's insane. No way in creation would I run that tap water in any engine, especially above 32°.
The squads run whatever the dealer or shop tech puts in them, which means whatever's the cheapest. I can remember a local department that ran 15W40 in everything, including the 318 Dodge Diplomats. They'd bid it out for one flavor, and that's what everything got.
Today, some departments change oil every 5000 miles, some go way longer. Nobody seems to use the engine hour meter. Interestingly enough, unlike retail models, the Change Oil light in the squads is fixed, coming on every 5000 miles after reset.
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It's all sales tactics aimed at Mopar fanboys,who will say, WOW Viper, WOW Vipers are Using Pennzoil, WOW I MUST USE IT IN MY Dodge Avenger.
I personally love Pennzoil and have since I was a kid. However, no mater who Dodge gets for the lowest bid will have the same ADs and descriptions Pennzoil will have.
Just use a good oil
Yes, it is, I'm saying a lot of RAM owners per forums don't use the recommended 5W20 and instead use 5W30 on the hopes it will better prevent lifter failure.
AHBguru: I'm not saying saying 5W-20 can't be used nor saying whatever oil any owner can/should/wants to put into their vehicle. Their vehicle, their choice. I'm seriously not trying to start any sort of debate on this topic. I just replied to Nibis, who was telling the OP that they should be using 5W-20, that Dodge changed the spec in the owner's manual for 2022s and on to 0W-20, which is something many are unaware of and why to OP is seeking for a brand recommendation for 0W-20. I probably made a mistake replying to you when you stated it must be a misprint in the owner's manual, that it wasn't just the 2022 MY owner's manual if it is a misprint, however Dodge also changed the oil fill cap on the 2022 and up 5.7s, which has the same spec of 0W-20 labeled on the oil fill cap.
Again, not trying to start any sort of debate on what xW-x0 oil spec the OP should or shouldn't be using. The OP is following their owner's manual and asked for a brand recommendation for 0W-20, something I won't fault when they're following their manual.
Ok checking out.
Again, not trying to start any sort of debate on what xW-x0 oil spec the OP should or shouldn't be using. The OP is following their owner's manual and asked for a brand recommendation for 0W-20, something I won't fault when they're following their manual.
Ok checking out.
The Blackstone lab results from my 2014 started testing once it was over 100K This gives me the confidence to keep using whats worked in the past Pennzoil synthetic.
If you plan to sell your vehicle to a private owner the money spent on the results will most likely pay for themselves ten fold. Especially with the hellcat or SRT
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If you plan to sell your vehicle to a private owner the money spent on the results will most likely pay for themselves ten fold. Especially with the hellcat or SRT
Easy to overthink oil. When was the last time anyone had a premature engine failure due to faulty oil? I’ve seen multiple failures like running out of oil due to some oil change jockey leaving the plug loose or the fill cap off! I’ve done my own oil changes since day one and have been beating up engines for 53 yrs and have yet to blow one up. No compromise for frequent oil changes with good quality oil filters.
Not to linger on this topic but just found out that Toyota mandates 0W-8 on their new Corrola’s. Used to be 0W-16. I guess you can use some mazzola cooking oil if you need to top it off. Lol .
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Not to linger on this topic but just found out that Toyota mandates 0W-8 on their new Corrola’s. Used to be 0W-16. I guess you can use some mazzola cooking oil if you need to top it off. Lol
0w8 Why not just 0w0
Coming soon, to an OEM near you....
SRT engineers, who've thoroughly tested various oils to meet company specs - and the SAE dynamometer testing requirements - made the Pennzoil the recommended oil for their products, which included all 392, HC, and 5.7 Pursuit models.
One can argue about lube oils until the cows come home, but dismissing the work they performed designing and testing those products is rather silly. At best.
I always ran Valvoline in everything I owned, up until my first 5.7 hemi in an '07 Charger R/T. One of the Fleet Zone Service reps was at the dealer one day while I had it in for a pedicure. This was in 2012, maybe 2013. He indicated that they were finalizing some tests on the squads, and that they'd be issuing a Fleet bulletin recommending the Pennzoil in the 3.6 and 5.7 police models. I believe the 392 already had that recommendation by that time. Well, it was 2016 before the Fleet memo was issued, but from that point on, anything engineered by SRT, which included all police models, were recommended to use the Pennzoil. There were differences in viscosity and which synthetic, but that was really the last word SRT had on the subject, as the SRT group were disbanded several years later. That also indicates to me that the decision to go with 0W20 in the V6 and 5.7, beginning in 2022, was not a decision made by any performance group (there wasn't one by then), but a choice made to comply with fuel economy requirements. Considering how much oil the V8s pull through the PCV system, I find that choice highly questionable.
Incidentally, I use to run a 4 to 3 (quarts) mix of 5W20 to 5W30 regular Pennzoil synthetic in my 5.7 engines, and never got a MIL for incorrect viscosity. That didn't keep them from going kablooey, naturally.
Don't give em any ideas.
Incorrect.
Correct.
Chrysler used Mobil 1 exclusively on all high performance development and platforms until corporate "events" made it attractive for them to endorse Pennzoil as the official oil of SRT.
False. Mobil 1 never met MS-6395. The reason for the lube oil testing was Chrysler wanted SRT engines, including the squads, to meet SAE Certification for the horsepower and torque ratings in the SRT models.
Right or wrong, they chose Pennzoil. I'll be to first to raise my hand and say that I was skeptical. Pennzoil never had the highest reputation, prior to the synthetics. I remember years ago when some guys used to think that Pennzoil put sand or some other abrasive in their lube oil. Back then, in the 70s, Quaker State and Kendall were popular brands
Independent testing - many of which are available on YouTube, also show the PUP as superior to other flavors of the same viscosity.
All I know is the hemi's that I've owned made more noise with PUP than regular Pennzoil synthetic, so that's what I stick with. It's cheap, and works well enough in my 3.6.
I can't believe this is still going on, lol. Mobil 1 and Chrysler's partnership ended as fallout of the bailouts. There's no records if it was part of Chrysler's bankruptcy protection to not have to meet whatever was Mobil 1's needs or what was actually the catalyst, but their partnership ended and shortly after that oil fill caps with the Mobil 1 logo ended.
However, Chrysler and Pennzoil's (actually, it was with Magneti Marelli and Shell Lubricants, Pennzoil's brand owner) initial "strategic agreement" was not based on SRTs, but essentially because Chrysler needed a new partner and more so because the Magneti Marelli and Shell Lubricants partnership gave Chrysler dealerships the ability to service competitive brands of GM, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai and Kia vehicles at Chrysler Group dealerships. Straight from the initial press release that's actually on Stellantis' website: Stellantis Media - Chrysler Group Announces Strategic Agreement That Will Enhance, Grow Service and Parts Business; Mopar, Magneti Marelli and Shell Lubricants Team Up to Offer Comprehensive Service, Parts and Oil for Competitive Makes
As far as the MS-6395 / SRT stuff, that's just straight up creating marketing and initial market corner advantage. I deal with this kind of stuff all day long nowadays. Manufacturers work with partners &/or subsidiaries to create "requirements" that only the partner/subsidiary is able to meet. It pays out two-fold, providing both a marketing point, as well as market advantage until competitors can meet the new "requirements". Absolutely nothing new there, age old marketing ploy repeated a million times over.
However, Chrysler and Pennzoil's (actually, it was with Magneti Marelli and Shell Lubricants, Pennzoil's brand owner) initial "strategic agreement" was not based on SRTs, but essentially because Chrysler needed a new partner and more so because the Magneti Marelli and Shell Lubricants partnership gave Chrysler dealerships the ability to service competitive brands of GM, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai and Kia vehicles at Chrysler Group dealerships. Straight from the initial press release that's actually on Stellantis' website: Stellantis Media - Chrysler Group Announces Strategic Agreement That Will Enhance, Grow Service and Parts Business; Mopar, Magneti Marelli and Shell Lubricants Team Up to Offer Comprehensive Service, Parts and Oil for Competitive Makes
As far as the MS-6395 / SRT stuff, that's just straight up creating marketing and initial market corner advantage. I deal with this kind of stuff all day long nowadays. Manufacturers work with partners &/or subsidiaries to create "requirements" that only the partner/subsidiary is able to meet. It pays out two-fold, providing both a marketing point, as well as market advantage until competitors can meet the new "requirements". Absolutely nothing new there, age old marketing ploy repeated a million times over.
Fair enough.
It still proves that me and Vice-White are more correct. The switch to Pennzoil had nothing to do with Chrysler engines meeting horsepower or torque specifications and everything to do with corporate partnerships.
To this day, the MS-6395 "standard" is nothing but a way for Chrysler to make certain oil blenders money. It reflects exactly zero on the performance of the oil.
It still proves that me and Vice-White are more correct. The switch to Pennzoil had nothing to do with Chrysler engines meeting horsepower or torque specifications and everything to do with corporate partnerships.
To this day, the MS-6395 "standard" is nothing but a way for Chrysler to make certain oil blenders money. It reflects exactly zero on the performance of the oil.
I'd buy that. Knowing that everything revolving around FCA, and now Stellantis,has to do with spending $10 to save a penny, that makes perfect sense, and that's good information.
For anyone willing to dive into the tests, there are two applicable SAE tests that directly relate to this discussion:
SAE J1349 (Engine Power)
SAE J304 (Engine Oil)
One might be surprised by how many engines are now certified under SAE standards. Nearly everything used today by Stellantis-US is SAE certified. Fellow Allpar author Patrick Rall also has a few articles out there, specific to what SRT was doing at the time, and it's important to remember that they were the (largely) independent "skunkworks" team. They were having fun for a long time, until Sergio basically shut them down.
For me, it's not a right or wrong thing, people can be as loyal to oil brands as they are to car brands, and I completely respect that. I'm definitely not saying Pennzoil is or isn't better nor the same about any other brand. I have no idea and any marketing is suspect because of all the unseen ties/agreements/etc. Unfortunately, even with some "independent" studies/entities, there can be a grain of salt because of unseen ties. It's why if anyone ever asks me, I just tell them to follow the owner's manual and pick whatever oil brand you like/prefer/care to spend on.
On a side note of humor (kind of, not for the source individual however). Back in '99, one of the "maintainers" I used to work with had an old VW bug. He thought taking the aircraft turbine engine oil we used, 7808 (technically MIL-PRF-7808) and using it in his Bug would be a great idea, being such "high end" oil... that engine didn't even last 3 days.
On a side note of humor (kind of, not for the source individual however). Back in '99, one of the "maintainers" I used to work with had an old VW bug. He thought taking the aircraft turbine engine oil we used, 7808 (technically MIL-PRF-7808) and using it in his Bug would be a great idea, being such "high end" oil... that engine didn't even last 3 days.
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