2023 Durango AWD R/T Blacktop Tow & Go Ordered

Tin Foil Hat · Sep 14, 2023

You think it will finish building and then ship the next day? Riiiiiiight.

stoopalini · Sep 14, 2023

Blackgtprix said:
Mine just went into E status on 9/12. Fingers crossed it gets completed before midnight tonight.
I'm only 30 minutes from the plant, so I'm hoping if it does ship out by tomorrow I will have it by month end. My 2nd concern is it delivering after month end and STLA pulling all the rebates in October.

If the dealer placed a "Sold Order" for you, then the incentives which were available at the time the order was confirmed will be available to you. When the vehicle is delivered, and you sign for the purchase ... you should be able to choose the incentives available at that time instead if you want.

It's the same if you walked away from the deal, deciding you no longer want the vehicle and the dealer then puts it on their lot. Any new buyer who comes along would be able to use the incentives available at that time, not when the order was placed months ago.

stoopalini · Sep 14, 2023

Tin Foil Hat said:
You think it will finish building and then ship the next day? Riiiiiiight.

If it went into E status on the 12th, and it doesn't have vinyl stripes ... then it's most likely already finished production. It only takes one or two days for a vehicle to actually be built on the assembly line. If it has vinyl stripes though, then it gets sent to a 3rd party after the assembly line, for those to be applied ... and the status doesn't change to KZ until afterward.

The online tracker only gives a very limited view into the status changes of the build. There are more possible status codes which don't get reflected in the online tracker. This is why things can appear to be stuck for a long period of time, because it's actually chnaging status but just not to one of the codes which the online tracker shows you.

All Codes
BA	New order that hasn't been checked
BB	Review by fleet department
BD	Special equipment processing
BE	Edit error
BG	Passed edit n/a for schedule
BGL	Edit ok parts unavailable
BX	Passed edit available for schedule
C	Sub firm - Tentative schedule
D	Firm schedule - dealer has allocation and all parts available
D1	Gateline schedule - scheduled to be built
E	Frame
F	Paint
G	Trim
I	Built not ok'd
J	Built ok'd
JB	Vendor Abyss!!!
JE	Emission check
JS	Shipped to storage
KZ	Released by plant , invoiced (window sticker)
KZL	Released - not shipped (see JS)
KZM	First rail departure
KZN	First rail arrival
KZO	Delayed/recieved
KZOA	Plant holds
KZOB	Zone/distribution holds (see JS)
KZOC	Carrier delays
KZOD	Carrier holds
KZOE	Mis-shipped vehicle
KZOF	Show/test vehicle
KZOG	Damaged vehicle
KZOH	All other reasons
KZT	Second rail departure
KZU	Second rail arrival
KZX	Delivered to dealer
ZA	Canceled

stoopalini · Sep 14, 2023

As an example, this was the timeline for the Grand Cherokee I ordered back in April. It went E status on May 17th, KZ status two days later on Friday the 19th. It then shipped on Monday the 22nd.

bb37 · Sep 14, 2023

Let's assume your Durango rolls off the assembly line today. Let's also assume the UAW strikes JNAP tonight. It will still need to be loaded onto a truck for delivery to your dealer. The unknown factor here is how soon, under normal conditions, your Durango would be loaded onto a truck. If the trucking company is short on drivers, as all trucking companies seem to be, there may be a wait list of Durangos sitting in storage that have to be shipped before they get to yours. And, then, there's the question of whether or not the truck driver, who may or may not be a dues-paying Teamster, will cross whatever picket lines the UAW organizes at JNAP.

Yes, there's lots of assumptions and conjecture in that paragraph. I wish you the best. But, if I were you, I'd prepare for the worst.

As an aside, I thought I read somewhere that the UAW, in the case of Ford, was going to target the Ford engine plants since that would screw up production for all of the assembly plants. Based on local news, the UAW members who work in the FCA plants in Kokomo, Indiana, seem to be assuming that the UAW will target the plants there. Hard to build new cars without transmissions.

Blackgtprix · Sep 14, 2023

stoopalini said:
If the dealer placed a "Sold Order" for you, then the incentives which were available at the time the order was confirmed will be available to you. When the vehicle is delivered, and you sign for the purchase ... you should be able to choose the incentives available at that time instead if you want.

It's the same if you walked away from the deal, deciding you no longer want the vehicle and the dealer then puts it on their lot. Any new buyer who comes along would be able to use the incentives available at that time, not when the order was placed months ago.

When I was inquiring initially with the dealers they had mentioned they could only lock in incentives with STLA financial, and the credit union lease rates were much better. Not sure if that means they didn't bother to lock in the STLA rate, as a worst case scenario, or if that is done automatically.

How would I know if they placed a "sold order"??

Blackgtprix · Sep 14, 2023

bb37 said:
As an aside, I thought I read somewhere that the UAW, in the case of Ford, was going to target the Ford engine plants since that would screw up production for all of the assembly plants. Based on local news, the UAW members who work in the FCA plants in Kokomo, Indiana, seem to be assuming that the UAW will target the plants there. Hard to build new cars without transmissions.

Yes, it seems to be the assumption at this point, that they would target the powertrain plants. This way they could still put a hault to production plants, without putting the vast majority of members on strike. If they were to go on a full out strike, they would quickly deplete the strike fund. But if they target the engine plants, they could put a limited amount of workers on strike pay, and still put down production. The workers at the assembly plants could go on unemployment once they are forced to shut down.

The other scenario would be to target higher profit plants, like SHAP (Ram Truck), Mack (WL) and Flint Truck (GM). Striking at JNAP for instance wouldn't put as much pain in the bottom line.

During COVID when supply was limited, STLA was strategically haulting multiple plants in order to give more supply to SHAP and keep the truck running.

stoopalini · Sep 14, 2023

bb37 said:
Let's assume your Durango rolls off the assembly line today. Let's also assume the UAW strikes JNAP tonight. It will still need to be loaded onto a truck for delivery to your dealer. The unknown factor here is how soon, under normal conditions, your Durango would be loaded onto a truck. If the trucking company is short on drivers, as all trucking companies seem to be, there may be a wait list of Durangos sitting in storage that have to be shipped before they get to yours. And, then, there's the question of whether or not the truck driver, who may or may not be a dues-paying Teamster, will cross whatever picket lines the UAW organizes at JNAP.

Yes, there's lots of assumptions and conjecture in that paragraph. I wish you the best. But, if I were you, I'd prepare for the worst.

As an aside, I thought I read somewhere that the UAW, in the case of Ford, was going to target the Ford engine plants since that would screw up production for all of the assembly plants. Based on local news, the UAW members who work in the FCA plants in Kokomo, Indiana, seem to be assuming that the UAW will target the plants there. Hard to build new cars without transmissions.

After it leaves the plant, the UAW strike won't be a factor anymore. It'll be loaded onto a train at the factory by non-UAW workers.

I've a family member who has worked for Stallantis/FCA for a long time. When I asked him about potential impact to my order, this was his reply:

Stoop's Family Member said:
Since the vehicle has moved out of our plant & is in the process of being shipped it is in the clear for any potential UAW strike.

Rail process slowdowns or delays are unfortunately "normal" as Rail car & personnel shortages exist throughout the rail system, but their workers are not part of the UAW.

Local trucking is not part of the UAW either & issues with local trucking have been very limited.

Blackgtprix said:
How would I know if they placed a "sold order"??

The order will state it:

Blackgtprix · Sep 14, 2023

stoopalini said:
The order will state it:

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Thank you! I will check with my salesman. I never actually got a copy of the POC, only the VON. The order tracking site has an estimated delivery of 9/30. Not sure how accurate that actually is.

Kyle_M · Sep 14, 2023

Mine was KZM 9/1 and salesman told me it’s in town and he expects it today or tomorrow. Anyone with TNG doing a winter tire and wheel setup and if so, any suggestions?

stoopalini · Sep 18, 2023

So the vehicle did reach the Dallas rail head on Thursday, Sep 14th. The estimated delivery date was still the 26th afterward. Well yesterday, the estimated delivery date was updated to be Oct 9th

The Jeep we ordered took 7 days from the time it reached the Dallas rail head to be delivered to my dealer. No idea why this one would take 25 days to do the same? I haven't contacted my dealer yet this morning, but plan to touch base and see what the status code is now.

The online trackers will only show KZM, but I wonder if it may have changed to KZOB (Zone/Distribution hold), KZOC (Carrier Delay), KZOD (Carrier Hold) or something else to indicate there’s been an issue with shipping somewhere.

Waiting a couple more weeks isn't the end of the world, although we are trying to keep the miles low on the Jeep and also don't want to lose the Sep incentives since they are so good right now. I'd think the strike will have a negative impact on the Stellantis offers ...

bb37 · Sep 18, 2023

stoopalini said:
No idea why this one would take 25 days to do the same?

Shortage of available truck drivers?

stoopalini said:
I'd think the strike will have a negative impact on the Stellantis offers ...

In general, Stellantis is awash in inventory in the U.S. Based on the August inventory numbers, Chrysler, Dodge, Ram, and Jeep number of days supply exceeded the national average. New-Vehicle Inventory Grows Ahead of Potential UAW Strike - Cox Automotive Inc.

stoopalini · Sep 18, 2023

Yeah, I realize dealer inventory was increased in anticipation. I could still see Stellantis pulling the Sep incentives though, to offset some of the revenue hit they're taking while production is disrupted.

I spoke to my dealer and she said Dealer Connect is now showing her the 29th as estimated arrival. Then about 10 mins ago, the online tracker changed to reflect the same.

Looks like I may need to reschedule my PPF, Ceramic, Tint appointment

Vice-White · Sep 18, 2023

Stellantis is manning assembly line positions so all other areas such as delivery are on hold for a while.please thank above that yours was built and sitting in the factory lot before the strike.
I would not purchase a strike vehicle cause the only thing worse then a UAW worker putting your vehicle together is a non UAW worker. LOL

stoopalini · Sep 18, 2023

Vice-White said:
Stellantis is manning assembly line positions so all other areas such as delivery are on hold for a while.please thank above that yours was built and sitting in the factory lot before the strike.
I would not purchase a strike vehicle cause the only thing worse then a UAW worker putting your vehicle together is a non UAW worker. LOL

Ha! Definitely thankful ours shipped on Sep 2nd!

The Dallas rail yard workers are not UAW nor are they Stellantis employees. So I don't think the strike would have an impact on them unless they've decided to do something in support of UAW?

Our vehicle reached the rail head on Thursday and was unloaded from the rail car then. It's now sitting in a lot in Dallas waiting to be put on a transport truck.

Vice-White · Sep 18, 2023

stoopalini said:
Ha! Definitely thankful ours shipped on Sep 2nd!

The Dallas rail yard workers are not UAW nor are they Stellantis employees. So I don't think the strike would have an impact on them unless they've decided to do something in support of UAW?

Our vehicle reached the rail head on Thursday and was unloaded from the rail car then. It's now sitting in a lot in Dallas waiting to be put on a transport truck.

You will have it sooner then later and congrats on what looks to be a super ride! (Octane Red is awesome)

stoopalini · Sep 18, 2023

Vice-White said:
You will have it sooner then later and congrats on what looks to be a super ride! (Octane Red is awesome)

Yep, hopefully by the end of this weekend, but we'll see.

And thanks! Octane red with the hellcat lower front fascia and the OEM black/redline stripe package is going to look awesome!

I keep coming back to the these photos, telling myself the wait is going to be worth it. The shop is telling me to budget a week (max) for the paint correction, PPF, OEM stripe install, ceramic coating (body, wheels, calipers) and window tint.

The end result will be this (minus SRT/Hellcat badging and plus fog lights)

Vice-White · Sep 18, 2023

You ordered a premium R/T so how does one get fog lights or are they saving them for V6 owners?

Blackgtprix · Sep 18, 2023

Vice-White said:
Stellantis is manning assembly line positions so all other areas such as delivery are on hold for a while.please thank above that yours was built and sitting in the factory lot before the strike.
I would not purchase a strike vehicle cause the only thing worse then a UAW worker putting your vehicle together is a non UAW worker. LOL

The only STLA plant currently affected by the Strike is Toldeo, and they have fully stopped production in that facility. All other STLA plants, including JNAP, are running to full production as usual.

stoopalini · Sep 18, 2023

Vice-White said:
You ordered a premium R/T so how does one get fog lights or are they saving them for V6 owners?

Mine will have fog lights. The pictures I posted above are from a Hellcat ... Base trim I believe. Or maybe Plus? I know the Base doesn't have fog lights, and the Premium does. Not sure about the Plus though.

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