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Been doing a lot of digging into oils recently as my wife got herself a 2019 wrangler with the 3.6 and they call for a 0w20 oil. OCD me needed to know what the better off the shelf oil is coming into these thinner oils. Mobil 1 EP seems to be a very common recommendation specifically for this 0w20 as uses very high % PAO base stock, 60-70%. Higher then any other grade of this particular oil.

It got me wondering about using this on the 5.7. When I went into the Mobil website to look up their recommended oil, they actually recommend the 0w20 for mine as well. Same viscosity at operating temp but flows better when cold. Any downsides to this?
 
Most people tend towards higher viscosity oils for greater high temp/high load protection; 5w-30 VS the 5w-20 Dodge recommends for the 5.7. While I'm sure you could get away with 0w-20, I don't see what the advantage would be. (Other than having a single grade of oil for all your vehicles, which is nice!)

If I had to choose, I'd probably put 5w-20 in both rather than 0w-20, but I haven't spent any time researching the Pentastar. If it's like most other OEMs, the recommended viscosity has gone down over the years even with little change to the engine in order to eek out better mpgs.

Edit: just noticed you're in Canada where cold starts may be REALLY cold starts! If you want to put some science to it, try both and send the oil off for analysis to check for wear. Certainly won't hurt for a single oil change interval.
 
Discussion starter · #3 ·
Most people tend towards higher viscosity oils for greater high temp/high load protection; 5w-30 VS the 5w-20 Dodge recommends for the 5.7. While I'm sure you could get away with 0w-20, I don't see what the advantage would be. (Other than having a single grade of oil for all your vehicles, which is nice!)

If I had to choose, I'd probably put 5w-20 in both rather than 0w-20, but I haven't spent any time researching the Pentastar. If it's like most other OEMs, the recommended viscosity has gone down over the years even with little change to the engine in order to eek out better mpgs.

Edit: just noticed you're in Canada where cold starts may be REALLY cold starts! If you want to put some science to it, try both and send the oil off for analysis to check for wear. Certainly won't hurt for a single oil change interval.
I definitely don’t live in the coldest parts of Canada but it definitely drops below freezing. -17c was our coldest out here.

I was told they recommend the 5w20 for the mds, so I figured going to a 0w20 with a better quality base stock oil wouldn’t be too bad. They do make it in 5w20 as well but some digging into the bobs the oil guy forums, the 0w20 version of Mobil 1 EP using a higher quality base stock and has a higher flash point. So much reading lol.
 
0W20 for the win over 5W20 IMO. I run it in both my Hemi's.
Honestly they are so close in specs, I don't think it will have any negative effects long term...and should on paper at least, provide a bit more protection on start-up.
 
Discussion starter · #5 ·
0W20 for the win over 5W20 IMO. I run it in both my Hemi's.
Honestly they are so close in specs, I don't think it will have any negative effects long term...and should on paper at least, provide a bit more protection on start-up.
That was my hope and from my research, atleast with Mobil 1 EP, it seems the base is a much higher PAO content. I sent a question off to Mobil 1 about why they recommended the 0w20 over 5w20 in the first place. I’m curious what their answer is

Currently using their 5w20 truck&suv oil and it’s definitely quieter on start up. Use to have a bit of a tick on initial start up and it’s completely gone currently. Was using Pennzoil ultra before that. I know both are great oils but it seems to like Mobil 1 better lol
 
Discussion starter · #10 ·
Canadian tire cycles through oil sales every week. Mobil 1 EP and a Pennzoil ultra sales happen multiple times a year. I find Mobil 1 EP more readily available than Pennzoil ultra. Atleast where I live, I know some areas are much harder to source them. Usually $32-$35 for a big jug.
 
Asking about one's favorite oil is like asking one's favorite beer. Ask 100 people, and get 100 very opinionated responses. :ROFLMAO:

Seriously though, have only used 5W20 in my 5.7 Hemi Daytona, and now for the '21 DD V6, 0W20. Like you, I tried the Pennzoil Platinum, as well as the Ultra Platinum in both my 5.7 and even our little 2.4 L Patriot (5W20 also). I had the same observation that the Pennzoil was noticeably noisier on cold start-up, and so for the better part of over 125K miles on my 5.7, almost 50K on the Jeep, and now for the 3.6, I use Mobil 1 EP exclusively. I can usually find both weights, plus Mopar filters, off the shelf at the local Wally World, or worst case, I order it online and they ship for free to my house (just did that for the upcoming spring O/C next month). While there are proponents who will swear Royal Purple, Red Line, or Amsoil are much better, they are unobtainium off the shelf in most cases, and cost WAY too much. I have driven my 5.7 pretty hard over the 125K+ miles, plus it has a few mods, and never an issue with wear using the Mobil 1 EP. If you factor in the extra cost of the premium brands over the lifespan of my 5.7 versus cost of M1, that's a lot of $$ saved for no better longevity. Extra brewski $$:LOL:
 
I have used AMSOIL 0W20 since new with change intervals between 6k and 7.5K. I use NAPA oil analysis and everything checks out. I value my ride and its very expensive to replace or repair. I am willing to spend more if it offers better protection for my engine. I never have to change more than twice a year so a small savings per quart is not worth it for me. I have 68,000 miles on a 2017 R/T. I will attach the oil report.
OIL ANALYSIS REPORT
LAB NO. 41022953518
SIF NO.40132380
TIME ON UNIT
mi 65652
TIME ON OIL
UIN 091646E
OIL BRAND Amsoil
OIL TYPE Unidentified
OIL GRADE 0W20
Gasoline Engine
OIL ADDED
FILTER Changed
Unit No.
Black Durango
OIL CHANGED Changed
Make
Dodge
Metals (ppm)
Iron (Fe)
28
Chromium (Cr)
1

Lead (Pb)
<1
Capacity:
Ltrs
Copper (Cu)
34
Site
Tin (Sn)
1
Aluminium (Al)
3
Compartment:
Nickel (Ni)
<1
Silver (Ag)
<1
Make
Titanium (Ti)
<1
Vanadium (V)
<1
Contaminants (ppm)
Silicon (Si)
8
Sodium (Na)
6
Potassium (K)
2
Additives (ppm)
Magnesium (Mg)
992
Calcium (Ca)
1513
Barium (Ba)
<1
Phosphorus (P)
832
DIAGNOSIS
Zinc (Zn)
1039
Molybdenum (Mo)
248
Engine wear levels appear satisfactory for first sample.
Boron (B)
84
Silicon level (dirt/sealant material) satisfactory. Water
Contaminants
content acceptable. Please provide missing oil
Water (%)
<0.05
Coolant
No
Physical Tests
Viscosity (cSt 100C)
10.2
component.
Physical / Chemical
Base Number (mgKOH/g)
2.7
 
I have used AMSOIL 0W20 since new with change intervals between 6k and 7.5K. I use NAPA oil analysis and everything checks out. I value my ride and its very expensive to replace or repair. I am willing to spend more if it offers better protection for my engine. I never have to change more than twice a year so a small savings per quart is not worth it for me. I have 68,000 miles on a 2017 R/T. I will attach the oil report.
OIL ANALYSIS REPORT
LAB NO. 41022953518
SIF NO.40132380
TIME ON UNIT
mi 65652
TIME ON OIL
UIN 091646E
OIL BRAND Amsoil
OIL TYPE Unidentified
OIL GRADE 0W20
Gasoline Engine
OIL ADDED
FILTER Changed
Unit No.
Black Durango
OIL CHANGED Changed
Make
Dodge
Metals (ppm)
Iron (Fe)
28
Chromium (Cr)
1

Lead (Pb)
<1
Capacity:
Ltrs
Copper (Cu)
34
Site
Tin (Sn)
1
Aluminium (Al)
3
Compartment:
Nickel (Ni)
<1
Silver (Ag)
<1
Make
Titanium (Ti)
<1
Vanadium (V)
<1
Contaminants (ppm)
Silicon (Si)
8
Sodium (Na)
6
Potassium (K)
2
Additives (ppm)
Magnesium (Mg)
992
Calcium (Ca)
1513
Barium (Ba)
<1
Phosphorus (P)
832
DIAGNOSIS
Zinc (Zn)
1039
Molybdenum (Mo)
248
Engine wear levels appear satisfactory for first sample.
Boron (B)
84
Silicon level (dirt/sealant material) satisfactory. Water
Contaminants
content acceptable. Please provide missing oil
Water (%)
<0.05
Coolant
No
Physical Tests
Viscosity (cSt 100C)
10.2
component.
Physical / Chemical
Base Number (mgKOH/g)
2.7
ive used amsoil and amsoil filters for 38 years with 3 times these intervals with not a single issue!
 
There are reasons the owner's manual recommens these thinner oils (such as higher flow rates that are required and loser internal tolerances just to achieve improved fuel economy). I would avoid the temptation to use higher viscosity oils in our 2014+ DD's --- And yes, I've been tempted also. It just doesn't seem right, does it? ;)

I use Valvoline "SynPower" 0W-20 myself, and change it every 3K, even though that's considered "overkill". But being thinner, I figure that it does take a lot of abuse. 5K in SW Florida's traffic is brutal on the divers, much less, their engines, with lots of stop-n-go.
 
Discussion starter · #17 ·
Appreciate all the input guys. Going to switch everything over to Mobil 1 EP next oil change. Got a lot of towing coming up this summer with the r/t, it’s already loving the Mobil 1 Truck and SUV, so I’m sure it will be just as happy with the extended performance.
 
Dodge knows and even the engine knows the right viscosity oil it wants, it stored an error code on my 2012 DD a long time ago when my dealer service dept used a 0w20 Amsoil for whatever reason instead of the called for 5w20, engine used oil on that oil change as well, the Pennzoil platinum is the best bang for the buck synthetic oil, Mobil 1 and Valvoline rank at the bottom for performance
 
Discussion starter · #19 · (Edited)
Dodge knows and even the engine knows the right viscosity oil it wants, it stored an error code on my 2012 DD a long time ago when my dealer service dept used a 0w20 Amsoil for whatever reason instead of the called for 5w20, engine used oil on that oil change as well, the Pennzoil platinum is the best bang for the buck synthetic oil, Mobil 1 and Valvoline rank at the bottom for performance
Mobil 1 EP certainly doesn’t rank at the bottom lol
 
Dodge knows and even the engine knows the right viscosity oil it wants, it stored an error code on my 2012 DD a long time ago when my dealer service dept used a 0w20 Amsoil for whatever reason instead of the called for 5w20, engine used oil on that oil change as well, the Pennzoil platinum is the best bang for the buck synthetic oil, Mobil 1 and Valvoline rank at the bottom for performance
Have never heard of a situation where using a lighter weight oil, regardless of brand, would set an error code. Those of us like myself, who have driven the 5.7 Hemi with MDS have definitely seen situations where using a 5W30 or 10W30 instead of the 5W20 has affected the speed of MDS activation and set a code at times. A 0W20 is the same weight as a 5W20 when hot - in effect a 20W. The lower number just means it is thinner at start-up. A 0W20 pours down to like -54, versus a -42 for a 5W20. Are you sure the dealer didn't accidentally use a 0W40, like some of the SRT engines called for? I can definitely see something like a 40W when hot causing issues with MDS on a 5.7.

As for the Pennzoil, I have tried it both on my 5.7 and a little 2.4L Jeep engine, and the Pennzoil is noticeably noisier on a cold start-up on BOTH engines. More noise = more wear, so I switched back to M1 EP 5W20. With 125K+ hard, high performance driving miles on the 5.7, no noticeable wear or noise.

Amsoil is a damn good quality oil - probably better than either the M1 or Pennzoil, but because it is a PITA to get quickly, and costly, I go with what works and what is quiet. I don't care if it cost $1 per qt., or $100 per qt., if it is quiet, engine shows little to no wear after a lot of hard driving miles, and is readily available off the shelf, then any oil is a good oil if it meets factory specs. When you state that Valvoline or M1 rank at the bottom of "performance", quantify "performance". What are you measuring or comparing? My "measurement" is the fact that M1 has held up to that many miles of performance driving, as well as commuter driving in extreme weather on the smaller 2.4, is actually QUIETER than other brands, and I know what the insides of my engine look like - exceptionally clean with little wear. If a motor oil does those things for me year in and year out, then it performs at, or above, my expectations.
 
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