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I'm looking to replace my battery. It's an OEM 750 CCA battery that's two and a half years old, but there's a lot of battery acid at the terminals and I'm tired of the battery making a mess.

I want to replace it with a DieHard Platinum 880 CCA, Reserve Capacity 135 minutes- it has Consumer Reports highest rating. Only thing is Sears stocks them in Group Size 34 only, the Durango is 27.

Would this fit?
 
I think it'll fit I don't remember the D being a 27
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Should be fine fitment
Steve
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It's probably really a 27, which is only available in some battery lines? 34 fits, but you might have to modify or discard the battery cover.

I got a duralast gold 27 (autozone) for my '03, it seems a fine battery? there aren't all that many manufacturers of car batteries? last I knew, both Duralast and Diehard are made by Johnson Controls?

?tom
 
Discussion starter · #7 ·
I'm going to have to research this a bit more, maybe even measuring the battery up at Sears. I just can't pass this up- it seems like the cadillac of batteries and with the cold weather in Alaska, the extra assurance can't be beat.
 
http://www.batteryweb.com/bci.cfm shows the standard battery sizes.

the group 27 has somewhat more room for acid and plates, so if you can find a good group 27 it may have more beef than even the ultra-premium group 34?

?tom
 
No offense directly intended, but "Diehard" and "Cadillac" don't belong in the same sentence, unless you're referring to the dressed up K-car they used to "win" the Malcolm Baldridge Award. You can find a better battery. Yes, a group 27 is a hardier battery. I'd go with an AGM (Optima-type).
 
Warren's right. I'd think that a GEL Cell battery would work better than one that has water and acid in the cells. A yellow top (Deep cycle) or blue top (Marine) Optima would probably work real well in the cold with the demands on your electrical system. These are small than the stock battery but will fit the stock try (minus the heat shield) using the stock hold down assembly. They could even be mounted up to a cigaret lighter and supply extra power as they don't ogg-gas like a standard battery does or generate acid on the outside of the battery case (so that they could be plugged into the rear power ooutlet and act like a dual battery set-up (as far as capacity is concerned), without damaging the interior. Being a gel, they don't spill, even when upside down.
 
MWeed said:
Warren's right. I'd think that a GEL Cell battery would work better than one that has water and acid in the cells. A yellow top (Deep cycle) or blue top (Marine) Optima would probably work real well in the cold with the demands on your electrical system. These are small than the stock battery but will fit the stock try (minus the heat shield) using the stock hold down assembly. They could even be mounted up to a cigaret lighter and supply extra power as they don't ogg-gas like a standard battery does or generate acid on the outside of the battery case (so that they could be plugged into the rear power ooutlet and act like a dual battery set-up (as far as capacity is concerned), without damaging the interior. Being a gel, they don't spill, even when upside down.
I'm with you Mike, but just a bit of clarification:

An Optima-type battery is a AGM (Absorbed Glass Mat.) They look almost identical to a Gel battery. An important distinction is that you CANNOT operate a gel in a vehicle without first de-tuning your alternator (gels don't tolerate charging voltages greater than 14.1v.) Since we can't (easily) adjust the output voltage of our alternators, stick with the AGM. If you don't want to dick around with adjusting the tray for the smaller Optima, Lifeline makes a standard G27 AGM, and West Marine sells an East Penn G27 AGM. Both are exceptional batteries.
 
Mine just fit right in, with no playing around.
 
When I put the Optima in my '99, I had to discard the cover and use the shim under the battery (which isn't great, because then the battery temp sensor isn't in contact with the battery?)

When I put a group 27 Duralast Gold in my '03, it just went right in.

I think getting a good-quality 27 battery (AGM or traditional) is probably the right answer? I did look at AGMs for my '03, but (at the ime) the jury was still out on how well they worked with unmodified charging systems? times may have changed? I'm sure there's a lot of info out on the web, some of it good?

?tom
 
I just bolted my yellow-top in and went. No changes to the charging system, no shims no anything. Everything just fit fine in the tray-minus the heat-shield. Everything just worked fine. I first used a red-top, and when it went I upgraded to the deep-cycle (yellow-top) for the winch load, and lights.
 
The very first time I did a technical article on batteries (12 years ago), the AGM's were just trying to break into the marine market (they have a very long history in military applications: jets, helicopters, tanks, etc.) The mil specs on these things were hard to believe (surviving a three meter fall & a 45 cal round).

Unfortunately, the only US manufacturer at the time didn't take me seriously when I inquired for additional information. I was specifically interested in charge voltage requirements and life-cycle data. Subsequently, I went to press declaring, "I can't recommend AGM's at this time, until further information becomes available."

Well, about two weeks after the article hits the streets, I get a call from the president of Lifeline Batteries. In another week, I get a PALLET of batteries delivered to my door. After two years of hammering the crap out of these things (in my vehicles, in two different boats, and in my remote-cabin application), I can whole heartedly recommend them (in fact, I published a retraction on my first impression.) Nearly all of the batteries I tortured 12 years ago are still in service today.

There are no special charge restrictions on AGM's.

PS: The Optimas (Spiral wound AGM's - looking like a large shrink-wrapped six pack), while adaquate for vehicle installations, are NOT the best AGM available. My first choice would be a Lifeline, followed by an East Penn (private labeled for West Marine), ESPECIALLY if you have a monster stereo or do aggressive off-roading.
 
If the Optimas are working out, stick with them. They're adequate for most applications. The spiral wrapped, sintered lead plates give unsurpassed CCAs. If you find you can't make them last more that 2-3 years, go with something a bit more robust (which will give you that elusive ROI).
 
Discussion starter · #18 ·
One of the priceyist batteries I've seen, but one of the best ratings I've ever seen given to batteries by Consumer Reports. Flawless in their opinion so I'm up to trying it.
 
I'm telling ya! Just because I didn't believe it, we fired SIX.45 rounds into an aging AGM & still got a reliable 12+V out of it!
 
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