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That is one thing I would love to have from the Hellcats--the code/tune switching capability. I would love to have the option between a track tune and a daily tune, chosen and automatically loaded by which key was in my pocket. That would be amazing!


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How are things going Bryali?
 
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Man, I don't even think I've even driven the truck in a week or more. We've been stupid busy since the New Year and I can't even figure out why.

I just sent an email to Mike about revising the tune. My driver's side rear o2 sensor finally gave up and I can't clear the code. I asked about turning off the rear O2 sensors so that I can put my wideband o2 sensor in the factory rear location. Once I hear back from him I'll start the process of logging and revising again.
 
Thanks everyone, I seriously can't believe how lucky I am.

This is a true testament to Dodge and what they did with the 3rd gen Durango. It's a great platform and I'm just taking advantage of it.

Not only am I contemplating ways to make my Durango into a 12 second track beast but I'm also figuring out how to install a weight distributing hitch so that I can trailer my car more comfortably. This thing is just as comfortable and capable tooling around town or in a grocery store parking lot as it is towing 7000 lbs or on a 1/4 mile track.
Need JGC SRT8 gearing and positraction :(
 
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Need JGC SRT8 gearing and positraction :(
Agreed!

I've looked into it a bit. 1st, there's no tuning to adjust the gear ratios in these trucks--at least not in my Trinity there's not and my tuner has never see it either. 2nd, if there was tuning, I don't know what kind of compatibility issues there would be with the axle diameters and lengths, prop shafts, diff mounting locations and dimensions, etc, etc. 3rd, if someone wants to donate their Jeep SRT as a donor for me to experiment, let me know and I will provide a write-up.
 
Agreed!

I've looked into it a bit. 1st, there's no tuning to adjust the gear ratios in these trucks--at least not in my Trinity there's not and my tuner has never see it either. 2nd, if there was tuning, I don't know what kind of compatibility issues there would be with the axle diameters and lengths, prop shafts, diff mounting locations and dimensions, etc, etc. 3rd, if someone wants to donate their Jeep SRT as a donor for me to experiment, let me know and I will provide a write-up.
Bryan,

Not sure if you saw my other post. Look into B&G Performance. I just bought their software. SCT referred me to them. You already know I have been on the hunt for software that has a trans file. They have it so I bought the program. My tune date is set for the 1st of of February. I'll let you know how the trans file goes. I just have to fix this stupid lifter that went out. I'm waiting on Cometic to send the head gasket.
 
Get thread for anyone looking to whipple charger their Durango. I'm a bit surprised there's no dyno report yet, despite a slight tune adjustments. I had my JGC on the rollers same week. There's number of shops that can log on the dyno and tweak parameters on the fly, with immediate performance reporting.
 
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Bryan,

Not sure if you saw my other post. Look into B&G Performance. I just bought their software. SCT referred me to them. You already know I have been on the hunt for software that has a trans file. They have it so I bought the program. My tune date is set for the 1st of of February. I'll let you know how the trans file goes. I just have to fix this stupid lifter that went out. I'm waiting on Cometic to send the head gasket.
Good luck. I'll probably have the trans tuning opened up with HPTuners when and if I ever get a TC installed. The HP tuning for Mopars, and specifically the 8-speed, is still in Beta but I figure it should be up and running pretty well by then. I'm using HPT on my Charger and now I'm able to shift at around 6400 instead of the max 6100 available in the Trinity.

Get thread for anyone looking to whipple charger their Durango. I'm a bit surprised there's no dyno report yet, despite a slight tune adjustments. I had my JGC on the rollers same week. There's number of shops that can log on the dyno and tweak parameters on the fly, with immediate performance reporting.
Thanks for reading and my apologies to anyone that is holding their breath waiting for a dyno graph. My nearest AWD dyno is about 2-3 hours away and I just haven't made it yet. Eventually I will get to it, but that's just not as important to me as how it drives on the street and track.
 
Good luck. I'll probably have the trans tuning opened up with HPTuners when and if I ever get a TC installed. The HP tuning for Mopars, and specifically the 8-speed, is still in Beta but I figure it should be up and running pretty well by then. I'm using HPT on my Charger and now I'm able to shift at around 6400 instead of the max 6100 available in the Trinity.


Thanks for reading and my apologies to anyone that is holding their breath waiting for a dyno graph. My nearest AWD dyno is about 2-3 hours away and I just haven't made it yet. Eventually I will get to it, but that's just not as important to me as how it drives on the street and track.

If you wait too long...I might beat you with results. Although being in Chicago, I have to wait until the winter blends are gone:(
 
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I know some people have been curious about how long tube headers change the sound of these beasts. My wife and I took a cell phone video of a few pulls in our driveway. Well, we took a few but this is the one that came out best. My neighbors love me.....haha

 
I am curious how the Whipple is faring... I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on one.

For those of you with experience with the Whipple, can you answer a few questions about the features that come with the package? Here is a list of the "exclusive features" of the Whipple system:

No other upgrades required, just massive power right out of the box
Front entry W175ax (2.9 liters) Whipple twin-screw supercharger that significantly outperforms competitions 1.9L and 2.3L roots-type systems
Front feed supercharger utilizes precision ground helical cut gears vs a problematic belt or shaft through the inlet that causes massive VE loss
Integrated Crusher™ 109mm round inlet outflows smaller 90 and 93mm inlets such as other Eaton based systems
Integrated Crusher ™ 109mm round inlet for optional oversized throttle bodies
Integrated design allows for oversized intercooler core compared to other smaller intercooler cores giving Whipple lower air charge temps which allows more boost and timing to be run on pump gas
Massive air-to-water aluminum bar-plate intercooler offers more cooling than any other positive displacement system available
Massive aluminum intercooler reservoir holds more than double the IC water than any of the competitors, more water, more power
Whipple Superchargers massive oversized intercooled air-bypass system for industry leading reduction of burst knock and incredible fuel economy, no ridiculous fabbed steel tubes or systems that circulate hot air
Self-contained oversized oil system for dramatically reduced oil temps in even the most demanding conditions
Exclusive 3x5 rotor combo for significant increase in airflow under the curve than less efficient 4x6 rotor combo
One-turn turn inlet allows for decreased induction losses when compared to rear inlet systems and 180deg bends
Center discharge port for better cylinder to cylinder distribution then other twin-screws with cobbled together billet adapters and forward facing discharge
Discharge down design allows for less pressure loss which gives more power at lower boost levels
Top mount design allows for cooler operation then upside down SC's that conduct heat from engine and are trapped by runners and covers, causing hotter manifold temps and less power per pound of boost
More boost at the "hit" than any other twin-screw
Flat torque curve for incredible acceleration
MSD ™ Fuel pump booster with pre-defined voltage curve for less pump duty cycle then other pump boosters, only supplies increased voltage when needed, others are on/off
MSD ™ Fuel pump booster voltage curve can be adjusted by user, no need to purchase "competition" version, already included
Oversized heat exchanger for incredible intercooler water temps
No internal engine modifications required
Completed installation looks factory installed
Kits come complete with all necessary parts and hardware for installation
Unique oil level sight glass for easy oil level and quality check, no dipstick to bind or misread
Plug and play wiring with male and female connections
Optional high flow air filter system featuring a S&B True flow filter
High flow fuel injectors included
Proven 6-rib belt system with adjustable idler system for easy belt changes and multiple pulley configurations
Stainless steel jack-shaft with unique plastic cover (or optional carbon fiber) for increased safety
OEM quick connect fittings for easy installation, no ugly brass or steel fittings on the SC
Complete kits, Tuner kits and Hot Rod kits are available
Available in wrinkle black, polish or any custom color
Easily upgradeable with big cold air intakes and bigger throttle bodies
Instant boost at the touch of the throttle
3 minute pulley changes
SCT Flash tool that allows you to read and erase codes and multiple data log features
1 year warranty
Optional 5-year 100,000 mile powertrain warranty

I have questions about the ones that are in bold...

Optional high flow air filter system featuring a S&B True flow filter --> How do you choose this option? I don't see a choice to choose it on the website when ordering. If you don't choose it, does the stock system suffice? Any other systems superior to the one offered by Whipple?

Proven 6-rib belt system with adjustable idler system for easy belt changes and multiple pulley configurations --> No idea what this means... Is this if you want an overdrive pulley installed?

Complete kits, Tuner kits and Hot Rod kits are available --> Anyone know the difference between these kits?

3 minute pulley changes --> Again no idea what this means....

Are there any other upgrades that provide a decent "bang for the buck" on the Durango?

Whipple SC: ~ 150 hp for $9000 installed
Corsa Exhaust: ~? Hp for $2000
Overdrive pulley? Headers?

I'm not sure how much I am willing to spend but I'd like to know some options. Thanks!
 
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I am curious how the Whipple is faring... I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on one.

I'm not sure how much I am willing to spend but I'd like to know some options. Thanks!
Thanks for your interest. The Whipple is doing great. My wife is very happy with her daily driver.

I got on the dyno and was only able to make 1 pull on the baseline tune by my local guy. I made 447hp/443tq and my AFR was pegged out at 10.1:1from about 2500 and up. My tuner said with the amount of fuel he was going to have to pull out we should have no problem breaking 500hp at the wheels. We had to stop for the day but it's drivable and I'll finish it up as soon as I can, probably another 2-3 months from now.

Now, on to your questions:

Optional high flow air filter system featuring a S&B True flow filter -->How do you choose this option? I don't see a choice to choose it on the website when ordering. If you don't choose it, does the stock system suffice? Any other systems superior to the one offered by Whipple?
When you choose a complete system (see below), the filter and intake tube are included. If you get a tuner kit (see below) I believe it comes without the intake and filter. I don't know if there's anything better but this thing is HUGE!! The stock intake tube is way to small for the amount of air you're moving.

Proven 6-rib belt system with adjustable idler system for easy belt changes and multiple pulley configurations -->No idea what this means... Is this if you want an overdrive pulley installed?
This means that the system uses a standard 6-rib serpentine belt and an adjustable idler. You can change belts just as easily as the stock drive system--using a breaker bar in the tensioner. It's not a stand alone belt like some other superchargers. An overdrive/underdrive crank pulley has no bearing at all on the pulley system but it would change the belt length you would need.

Complete kits, Tuner kits and Hot Rod kits are available --> Anyone know the difference between these kits?
A complete kit includes everything....it's complete. A tuner kit is a scaled back kit that is missing things like the tune file, injectors, and fuel pump booster. Your tuner will choose those parts for you rather than letting Whipple choose them. What is the "Hot Rod Kit"? I don't know....maybe that's just a blower and a few brackets and you piece together belts and everything else.

3 minute pulley changes --> Again no idea what this means....
I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess that this means pulleys can be changed in about 3 minutes....but I could be wrong....

Any other mods that are worth it? I guess that depends on you. Are you already tuned? What year and model do you have? What are your goals?

I recommend tuner, intake, exhaust in that order. After that it's all up to how much you want to spend and what you hope to get out of your build. If you don't know how much you're willing to spend then it's difficult to give you a recommendation.
 
I have a 2014 Citadel. Mine is stock at this point, no modifications at all.

I am planning to get the Whipple SC and use the tune they provide. I will probably get a larger throttle body installed at the same time.

It sounds like the intake that comes with the Whipple system is pretty good so a CAI mod will not be needed. I'm not sure if I can justify an additional ~$2000 for the exhaust either (no significant performance increase).

I'm still unclear whether headers add any additional performance. I was told an overdrive pulley can add significant bang for the buck on a supercharged system. Any experience with that?
 
I have a 2014 Citadel. Mine is stock at this point, no modifications at all.

I am planning to get the Whipple SC and use the tune they provide. I will probably get a larger throttle body installed at the same time.

It sounds like the intake that comes with the Whipple system is pretty good so a CAI mod will not be needed. I'm not sure if I can justify an additional ~$2000 for the exhaust either (no significant performance increase).

I'm still unclear whether headers add any additional performance. I was told an overdrive pulley can add significant bang for the buck on a supercharged system. Any experience with that?
If you have or add on any other mods, do not use the canned tune provided with the supercharger... Get a dyno tune(preferred anyway). If you swap pulleys you'll make more boost, but you need to upgrade other components to handle it. Headers are absolutely worth it, will make the supercharger more efficient, and will make more power (on less boost).
 
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Yep. I'm in the process of responding in the other thread: Whipple vs RIPP. Give me just a minute to type it up.
 
It is probably 2 days and 1200 miles each way.. but.. Carlisle.. ;)

Edit: maybe you can hook up with Volphin in TN and caravan up! ;)
 
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It is probably 2 days and 1200 miles each way.. but.. Carlisle.. ;)

Edit: maybe you can hook up with Volphin in TN and caravan up! ;)

I would LOVE to go and I'm all for a road trip but the timing is just awful. I'm leaving first thing in the morning for 2 months of school for work. My organization is going to be extremely shorthanded while I'm gone because 2 or 3 other people are also leaving before I get back. As soon as I get back I'll be smack dab in the middle of a change in leadership. It's just not a good time.

This will probably be my last year in Louisiana and I'll be moving next summer. I will do my best to make it to Carlisle as soon as I can. Depending on where I move next, maybe that'll be next year during my move or the year after once I get settled.
 
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Question. I just installed a Whipple on to my 2014 R/T and have a rattle coming from the S/C unit. I took a video and it is attached. Here are a few observations I had:

1) The rattling is present at idle coming from the SC unit
2) The rattling gets worse when a/c is turned on
3) Increasing throttle and reving helps decrease the rattling however it is slightly still present
4) Maintaining higher RPM's makes the rattling less pronounced
5) Reducing the throttle after RPM's are rev'ed up makes the rattling worse

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwsWobvrtXSjWDYzT0c1aEJFcTQ/view

Do any Whipple owners have this noise? Any idea if this is normal or not? Thanks!

JdC
 
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The instructions from Whipple talk about this on the back page.

"At idle, you may hear a medium-pitch rattle from the supercharger main housing. This will diminish at about 400-500 rpm above idle.

You may also experience a muffled high-pitched whine during acceleration. This is caused by the pumping action of the supercharger compressing air and only occurs during boost conditions. It is inaudible during part-throttle acceleration.

These are normal noises associated with any supercharger and have no effect on supercharger performance or engine durability.

NOTE: Whipple Superchargers will not authorize any warranty repair work or supercharger replacement for normal noise."

The chatter is completely normal. Yours does seem louder but I can't be 100% sure if that's just the quality of your video or what. I'm willing to bet the AC affects it because the AC clutch is engaging, raising engine RPM, and putting more load on the belt and blower.
 
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