Greetings, excuse me if there already is a thread on this subject however I am new. I have a 2016 Honda Pilot Elite with 4.2K miles on it. I am strongly considering trading it in on a Durango R/T. The reason that I want to trade it in is because, the pilot is just like a bowl of good sour cream. Thoughts?
Should i do it?
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Greetings, excuse me if there already is a thread on this subject however I am new. I have a 2016 Honda Pilot Elite with 4.2K miles on it. I am strongly considering trading it in on a Durango R/T. The reason that I want to trade it in is because, the pilot is just like a bowl of good sour cream. Thoughts?
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^^ Pretty much what he just said. May want to just eat that sour cream for a while until it makes more sense financially, but then, only you know what makes financial sense to you.
So why did you buy the Pilot in the first place? Seems a very quick souring of the cream...
So why did you buy the Pilot in the first place? Seems a very quick souring of the cream...
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Maybe try to find Durango RT with similar miles on it, just so you don't get hosed on depreciation back to back? Regardless of any money involved, if you end up getting the RT...you won't regret it.
The wife really wanted me to get the pilot. We went back and forth, and finally decided that my last Honda was pretty darn good car. Thus, we took two test drives and signed on the line. During the 30 minutes or so test drive we didn't notice how frustrating the auto/start feature would be or how the 9 speed tranny would hunt and peck for gears at low speeds. We also didn't notice how "dull" the stereo is, or how hard it was to use.
yes the souring of the cream happened very quickly
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Well, it really comes down to whether you can live with the Pilot and its' frustrations, or whether it's worth eating the financial hit and getting what you really want now. If it were me I would have a hard time paying for a vehicle we both hated, so I can see why you're already looking to dump it.
And we all have to do what the wife says sometimes, so there's no fault on you there for sure. If momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.
And we all have to do what the wife says sometimes, so there's no fault on you there for sure. If momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.
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I've had that before. I bought a Lincoln LS and wanted to get rid of it within days. Unfortunately I drove it for 6 months and it didn't get any better. If you can afford it I would get rid of it as soon as possible. Remember, life is too short to be stuck in a marria... I mean car that you hate.
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Seems that your gripes about the Honda won't really be solved with the Durango. We have our own stereo issues.
Also there might be a way to disable the start stop feature on the Pilot, as well as a learning cycle for the transmission. I know my Durango drives differently now compared to the first few weeks I had it. The car got used to my driving style.
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Well said. Happy wife, happy life.
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Nate brings up a good point. Most modern trannys, durango included, will have standard factory settings when you 1st get it. Some PCMS will also dial back performance in the beginning so the overzealous owner doesn't damage the engine before it's properly broken in. That said, you've already got 4k on the odometer, so you should already be past both of those
As others have said, it's really up to you in terms of the financial hit and what matters most in terms of what you want from the truck. I've owned primarily Japanese makes before this, and in at least my experience, the build quality on them is better than the Durango. That said, it didn't stop my wife from wanting one for herself. Even in R/T trim, the D isn't going to blow the doors off any sports cars, but for the $$, nothing comes close to being so damn cool. I really liked my MDX, but I LOVE my D, warts and all.
Plus, if you get a D, you get to hang out with us!
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I guess the best way to describe it is Honda builds a really nice product It's safe, durable and well engineered. The durango R\T has the fun to drive factor and a styling that speaks of attitude. Of course the fun zippy factor comes at a cost. That strange sucking sound under the hood is a Hemi that loves fuel. Where the Honda is fuel efficient the Durando is not so be prepaired for that and never look back. Depending on your location you may find your Honda worth more in trade right after the first snow.
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I love my Durango and am very happy with the purchase. I really love this truck (although I have the V6, not the mighty V8, but that's what a 6.4L Challenger is for).
That being said, keep the Pilot. First, you are going to get annihilated on the trade in/sale. Second, every car has its own quirks that you have to adapt to. It's tempting to see the grass as greener on the other side, but the D also has its fair share of quirks and issues. Third, your operating costs (fuel + maintenance) are no doubt going to be higher with the Durango over 5 years of ownership.
Give it a bit more time. You've already taken most of the hit. It's not going to kill you to wait it out another 6 months or year.
That being said, keep the Pilot. First, you are going to get annihilated on the trade in/sale. Second, every car has its own quirks that you have to adapt to. It's tempting to see the grass as greener on the other side, but the D also has its fair share of quirks and issues. Third, your operating costs (fuel + maintenance) are no doubt going to be higher with the Durango over 5 years of ownership.
Give it a bit more time. You've already taken most of the hit. It's not going to kill you to wait it out another 6 months or year.
OK first thing first. You guys/gals seem to be a cool bunch. I have been going back and forth on this subject and currently I am planning on trying to live with the "Sour Cream" till Fathers day. At which point I can make a better decision. But let me address some of the points that were mentioned.
Gas mileage 28 on the open road in summer is damn hard to beat I would imagine the D would get 23 24ish.
Stereo, the Honda's stereo sounds like an AM radio half of the time. The subwoofer flat out doesn't work and the dealership says. "don't know what to tell you" I know, its a $2K fix.
Auto stop feature, its a pain in the ass to have to turn it off every time I start the car. Trust me its weird when you pull up to a stop sign and cant just go because you have to wait for your car to turn on again..i get honked at a lot.
The dollars of the deal, I bought the Honda for $45ish, and I am being offered 41, after 5 months of use. I figure that each month of use is worth 400 bucks so 2K of depreciation that I have honestly used. Thus, if I keep the car my math is like this: 45K (car) plus 1K (for tinting) and 2K for stereo upgrade = 48 total for a car that I can live with. If I were to trade the car then 45K (car) +1K (tinting) = 46 K -2K of realized depreciation so the car is worth 44K and I am being offered 41 I believe the real loss is 3K but I can transfer the sales tax of the purchase of the Honda to the D.
Now before I do that, I need to find all the warts on the 15 and 16 Durango R/T's.
Thanks again for your past and continued positive input.
Larry
Gas mileage 28 on the open road in summer is damn hard to beat I would imagine the D would get 23 24ish.
Stereo, the Honda's stereo sounds like an AM radio half of the time. The subwoofer flat out doesn't work and the dealership says. "don't know what to tell you" I know, its a $2K fix.
Auto stop feature, its a pain in the ass to have to turn it off every time I start the car. Trust me its weird when you pull up to a stop sign and cant just go because you have to wait for your car to turn on again..i get honked at a lot.
The dollars of the deal, I bought the Honda for $45ish, and I am being offered 41, after 5 months of use. I figure that each month of use is worth 400 bucks so 2K of depreciation that I have honestly used. Thus, if I keep the car my math is like this: 45K (car) plus 1K (for tinting) and 2K for stereo upgrade = 48 total for a car that I can live with. If I were to trade the car then 45K (car) +1K (tinting) = 46 K -2K of realized depreciation so the car is worth 44K and I am being offered 41 I believe the real loss is 3K but I can transfer the sales tax of the purchase of the Honda to the D.
Now before I do that, I need to find all the warts on the 15 and 16 Durango R/T's.
Thanks again for your past and continued positive input.
Larry
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Hey Larry, good to see you're rationalizing it through. That stop start feature sounds almost impossible to be true. I assumed it would have some sort of an electrical assist so you can at least begin to move. But then, I have no experience with the Dodge version so I really don't know how odd that is. You actually get honked at? Nuts.
The 2015 Pilot you just bought is having a subwoofer issue, and the dealer shrugs and says it's a $2k fix? Sounds like a dealer issue, not a car issue. That should be fixed, period. Try another dealer or call Honda direct. That dealer can kiss my tailfin.
Lastly, you'll find this is not just a forum, but a family. Unless someone comes on here intentionally trying to slam the brand or the members, you will not be ridiculed. Your decision to buy a Pilot may not be too popular here, but we're not going to flame you for it. You surely didn't come here to be beaten and mocked, and that won't happen.
The 2015 Pilot you just bought is having a subwoofer issue, and the dealer shrugs and says it's a $2k fix? Sounds like a dealer issue, not a car issue. That should be fixed, period. Try another dealer or call Honda direct. That dealer can kiss my tailfin.
Lastly, you'll find this is not just a forum, but a family. Unless someone comes on here intentionally trying to slam the brand or the members, you will not be ridiculed. Your decision to buy a Pilot may not be too popular here, but we're not going to flame you for it. You surely didn't come here to be beaten and mocked, and that won't happen.
Thanks Bro...
A quick correction the Pilot Elite is a 16 and yes the I cant get any sound to come from the sub, the dealer says that he needs an identical unit in stock so that he can compare the delta between the two before he can diagnose. And he cant get one (production issues) I say it BS because if its on you can hear it, if it is not, you cant. An he has admitted that he cant hear it. The $2K fix is to upgrade the entire stereo as the stereo sounds like its having decoding issues. Most of the time, it truly sounds like a very good AM radio, not the 540 watt premium system with subwoofer that I paid for. I have called Honda and opened up a complaint, so have others on the Pilots forum. So far Honda fails to admit that there is a problem.
The auto stop-start feature. You have to disable it each time you start the car (a real pain in the ass), but yes if you stop at a stop sign the engine turns off. Then as you let off of the brake or move the wheel the car starts up, and re-engages the tranny. It takes about a second to do but when pulling into 45-50 MPH traffic, that second is needed. The person behind me is usually saying WTF and honking at me like I am afraid to pull out in traffic. And truth be told, with the second delay I am.
thanks again
Larry
A quick correction the Pilot Elite is a 16 and yes the I cant get any sound to come from the sub, the dealer says that he needs an identical unit in stock so that he can compare the delta between the two before he can diagnose. And he cant get one (production issues) I say it BS because if its on you can hear it, if it is not, you cant. An he has admitted that he cant hear it. The $2K fix is to upgrade the entire stereo as the stereo sounds like its having decoding issues. Most of the time, it truly sounds like a very good AM radio, not the 540 watt premium system with subwoofer that I paid for. I have called Honda and opened up a complaint, so have others on the Pilots forum. So far Honda fails to admit that there is a problem.
The auto stop-start feature. You have to disable it each time you start the car (a real pain in the ass), but yes if you stop at a stop sign the engine turns off. Then as you let off of the brake or move the wheel the car starts up, and re-engages the tranny. It takes about a second to do but when pulling into 45-50 MPH traffic, that second is needed. The person behind me is usually saying WTF and honking at me like I am afraid to pull out in traffic. And truth be told, with the second delay I am.
thanks again
Larry
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