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Found this prize on eBay, it was listed just today.

1999 Dodge Shelby Durango SP 360 4x4 #176

There are many good pictures of this D. I didn't know they had Kenne Belle Superchargers on the Shelbys. I thought all they had were a little handling, chip and show mods like the R/Ts. This one looks to be a real screamer. Since I can't have it, here's hoping a DOCer can.

It wasn't sold at $12,569.60 after 27 bids.

IndyDurango

Edit 11/12/07 as a stickie because I get tired of looking for it via the Search function
 
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IndyDurango said:
I didn't know they had Kenne Belle Superchargers on the Shelbys. I thought all they had were a little handling, chip and show mods like the R/Ts.

IndyDurango
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While all Factory Authorized Shelby's came with superchargers, the brand used depended on "where" the modification into a Shelby occurred?

Those scheduled for east coast delivery were modified by Star Coach Inc. in GA (no longer in business) and came with Paxton units. Those scheduled for west coast delivery were modified by Race Truck Trends in CA and came with Kenne Bell units. According to info gleaned by a DOC member who once toured the Star Coach facility, they used Paxton superchargers because they were never able to get the advertised HP gains with the Kenne Bell unit the original Shelby used.

In addition to the "Shelby Signature" bucket seats (which "were" standard), they also come with a lot of other special touches like an A&A hood and body kit, Stillen brake kits, GTS headlight covers, a carbon-fiber dash kit, etc., etc.

After reading an article about the Shelby D in Truck Trends magazine and deciding I really liked the "look", I decided to install some of the same items on my own D (i.e. the hood, Stillen brakes, dash kit, headlight covers, etc.) I never got the Shelby "Skunk Stripes" because I felt it just wouldn't be right to "brag" with the stripes if my D couldn't back it up!

Some day?if I can ever save up enough to have a Fastman 408 and MS tranny dropped into my baby?the stripes will appear!
 
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Big Al said:
IndyDurango said:
I didn't know they had Kenne Belle Superchargers on the Shelbys. I thought all they had were a little handling, chip and show mods like the R/Ts.

IndyDurango
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While all Factory Authorized Shelby's came with superchargers, the brand used depended on "where" the modification into a Shelby occurred?

Those scheduled for east coast delivery were modified by Star Coach Inc. in GA (no longer in business) and came with Paxton units. Those scheduled for west coast delivery were modified by Race Truck Trends in CA and came with Kenne Bell units. According to info gleaned by a DOC member who once toured the Star Coach facility, they used Paxton superchargers because they were never able to get the advertised HP gains with the Kenne Bell unit the original Shelby used.

In addition to the "Shelby Signature" bucket seats (which "were" standard), they also come with a lot of other special touches like an A&A hood and body kit, Stillen brake kits, GTS headlight covers, a carbon-fiber dash kit, etc., etc.

After reading an article about the Shelby D in Truck Trends magazine and deciding I really liked the "look", I decided to install some of the same items on my own D (i.e. the hood, Stillen brakes, dash kit, headlight covers, etc.) I never got the Shelby "Skunk Stripes" because I felt it just wouldn't be right to "brag" with the stripes if my D couldn't back it up!

Some day?if I can ever save up enough to have a Fastman 408 and MS tranny dropped into my baby?the stripes will appear!
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Interesting info on the superchargers. I'd expect Carroll not to skimp on anything so that suprised me on the Kenne Bell units.

The sig seats and the carbon fiber dash is pictured in the listings. Funny, with the seller being in Illinois, I'd have expected the D to be an East Coast version based on the local.

The more I learn and know about the Shelby's, the more I want one :cheesy: So the stripes are back on yours when the 408 goes in eh? Kool!

IndyDurango

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Vehicle Description

1999 Dodge Shelby Durango SP 360 4x4 #176 52,252 Miles

Limited Production #176, Kenne Belle Supercharger custom. 17x9 Shelby Monogrammed rims. TV, VCP, CD, Rear AC, Custom Racing Shelby Monogrammed Seats. Dual Exhaust, Headers.

All books and records with vehicle

This is a 2 owner car. I originally bought this Durango for one of my customers when I worked for Koller Dodge. I sold Vipers and other High Performance vehicles for the dealership. Any questions feel free to E-mail me or call me at 1-630-546-3742

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Strange. I never saw a Shelby Durango with regular seats in the second row. All the pics I ever saw had the cerillo seats front and rear. Another strange thing is the 4x4 wasn't lowered. I thought all of the Shelbys had the lower suspension that DMJ custom made for them.

I not putting it down but never seen one set up like this. I does have the trade mark Shebly wheels on it.

Also, when Star coach made the Shelby's, they did come with the Kenny Bells. When Shelby droped Star Coach, they created the Super Pursuit which used the Paxton supercharger. When I stopped by and visited Star Coach way back when, they told me there were some engine failures using the Kenny Bells so they started using the Paxtons. But maybe Star Coach had to make a slight change in the set up not to be sued by Shelby since they sort of ripped off his design.
 
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IndyDurango said:
What's an Optimizer?

IndyDurango
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2K R/T said:
"Optimizer" is a Piggyback on the ECM I think?? Some others may know more.

Rick
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I had one of KB's Optimizers on my D (see pix) up until I swapped it out for a Mopar Performance PCM. It was a "computer" (the red box behind my OEM PCM) programmed with whatever particular specs (2 pages worth) you wanted for your particular engine setup and then tied into lots of different sensors in the engine compartment and interfaced "between" the factory PCM's plugs and connectors using the piggyback adapter as shown. Since it was intended to support their supercharger and I didn't have one, they "detuned" it quite a bit for my 5.2 (lots of long phone calls with a KB tech during the ordering process!)

While it did make a noticeable difference in performance for my D, it became very obvious to me once the Mopar Performance PCM was available and being talkied about that I'd get much "better" performance gains with it. So, instead of paying KB another $400 to reprogrammed my Optimizer, I dropped in a MPPCM!
 

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In regards to the D being on eBay before and the rear seats, I looked into it and here are the results:

My post to the seller:
Wasn't this vehicle listed for sale on eBay before? If so, what
happened. Also, are the second row seat Shebly/OEM? I have been
told that they may not be Shelby due to the style, etc. The are
definitely Durango, but are don't look like Shelby versioned 2nd
row seats. Feel free to add my questions on your listing. Thanks!

Seller response:
Hi, No this is the first time on eBay.
I ordered it without the racing seats
in the second row

IndyDurango
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#13 ·
I saw a Shelby from Naperville last year on eBay,Now I guess there could be more then one in Naperville
The sellers got a new name and new account,
Carfax has 10 records on the D
It sure looked the same,Same dingy under hood,Same Dingy wheels,Same amount of miles
But I'm not here to bash him,Might be legit ?

Rick
 
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I just looked at that eBay posting again. I wanted to see what kind of wheels it was running to clear the Stillen front brakes. That Shelby doesn't have the Stillen AP Racing brakes. They look like the OEM set up on the fronts and drums in the rear.
 
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Yea, drum brakes on the rear. I thought all Shelbys had the Stillen brakes? I never heard of a stripped down Shelby. I thought they all were loaded.

Also what's strange the guy says "I ordered it without the racing seats."
On eBay he says he bought it off a customer

It's missing the Stillen brakes, the lowered suspension and the seats. Wonder what all else it's missing?
 
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The guy checks out ok on the suspension because the 99 Shelby 4x4 retained the stock ride height. The 2wd 99 Shelby was dropped 3 inches all the way around.
The Stillen AP six-piston calipers and crossdrilled rotors were an option, so again, checks out ok.
What throws me off though are the headlights and the badging.
The badging (according to the January 1999 Motor Trend) has "Shelby SP 360" located near the bottom of the rear door, and "supercharged" in the traditional placement on the front doors. The headlights in the Motor Trend article have tinted covers with the little clear circles not tinted.

He does have a pic of the VIN though, anybody have a carfax acct. or know where you can run a VIN to check authenticity?
 
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The guy may be a fraud, but who'd go to the trouble to 'fake' a Shelby that, when I last checked, only had a $7100 bid? The D is nice and worth that much for sure. The photos of the Shelby certification number on the door sills says something about legit too.

I think his story has a few holes, but hey, I really don't care because I'm not buying it. Wish I had some of those features on my D!

Didn't someone on another post just tell us how to get the build info on a D if you have the VIN? The VIN is included in the eBay listing, so I'd assume if he was faking it, he wouldn't have included the VIN.

I also read somewhere the Shelby headlights had "covers" on them, so the OEM lights could be accurate, just not shown or missing them?

IndyDurango
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Here's a pix of the Shelby headlights and they are covers!
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Specifically, they're GTS "clear" covers with a special Carbon Fiber template applied to the inner surface for the blacked out portion. I have a set of those covers that I applied my own template to (they came with a template kit) created using "spray on" windshield tint and regularly have problems with one or both of them coming loose (my bush bar has keep them from falling off.) I've also seen at least 3 different D owners who made posts to the DOC forum over the years who had the "original" Shelby covers sold by Race Truck Trends that complained about them "falling off" regularly (in fact one guy contacted me wanting to know where he could get a replacement for one he lost!)

So it's possible this one doesn't have them anymore because one or more got lost or the guy just got tired of having to put them back on??

As for the badging, not only is it in a different location, the letters don't match the "original" badging being sold by Race Truck Trends (which was one of the "authorized" Shelby modifiers) The eBay one has italic letters while the Race Truck Trends "original" ones are standard block letters??
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However, while it'd be easy and cheap to have a good local sign shop make up whatever badging you wanted to apply to your vehicle, including the Shelby labels if you had a sample (i.e. I had the below badges made for my own D by a local Signarama for $45), why try to fake a Shelby when it'd be easy to check it's authenticity with DC?

"Special Edition" emblems to replace the stock SLT ones.
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Rams Head wheel center caps instead of the Gara ones
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Another Shelby is available

Okay, that last one didn't meet the reserve price. It went unsold at $12,569.

Interestingly, there's another '99 Blue Shelby listed for sale now. It has 1/2 as many miles on it. From the previous tear apart we did on the other Shelby, here are the items I noticed:

This one has many of the same looks to it, and does include the headlight covers as previously discussed. Same 2nd row seats many questioned, same Kenne Bell Supercharger (this listing shows 2 additional instrument pods up close which the views of the previous listing also had, just not in a pic all of their own), same colors throughout (center console has a dual color scheme matching the seats), same rims.

Different location on the Shelby SP360 badging but same font (you can still purchase these BTW at RaceTruckTrends.) No 'supercharged' extra badge as on previous listing. Very different dash with a stainless steel look instead of the carbon fiber and the instrument gages don't match at all.

I think with all the 'stuff' on each, they're both real Shelby's just with slight owner applied mods. After all, who knows more about wanting to add mods to a D than we do!

Here's the new link: New eBay Shelby listing

Thoughts?

IndyDurango
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#20 ·
That one looks real nice!
It has some of the same deletions you mentioned on the previous one as well.
Remember that's around a 7 year old car.
It looks pretty good
Steve
DOC Pres
 
#21 ·
Okay, yet another blue Shelby is available on eBay: Another eBay listing for a Blue Shelby #193

This one matches many of the items from the first, including the badging on the front doors. Obvious to me now, is that there were various specifications and each could be slightly different. This Shelby is outlandishly priced, but it has had a lot of engine dressup work done. On a true collectible, I'd think this would decrease the value however.

Anyways, enjoy the pix. What's it with all the Blue Shelbys avail all of a sudden?

IndyDurango
 
#22 ·
Intense Blue was the only color the genuine Shelby came in. The latter SP360 was offered in the factory colors.

There was a post from Al I believe that indicated that one of the original prototypes was done in another color.
 
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one of the few with all the options offered
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Interesting statement since it obviously still has OEM brakes all around and the Stillen brake kits were one of the available options!

BTW, contrary to appearances, all Shelby D's, except one - see my below comment, were painted a special "Shelby Viper Blue" shade (formulated by PPG) that, while it's very close to Intense Blue, isn't quite the same color.

As for the one off-colored Shelby?

Back in 1999 Best Buy ran a contest where the Grand Prize was a Shelby D fully tricked out with a load of their stereo equipment. This particular Shelby was painted "Best Buy Yellow" with "Best Buy Blue" skunk stripes! I happened to know about it because I had a chance to see it in person at a Vegas Best Buy Store and then regularly went out-of-my-way to enter the contest? although obviously I didn't win! :cheesy:​

Finally, to clarify the whole, Shelby Durango vs SP360 vs Super Pursuit issue?

Performance West Group Inc., founded by Larry Weiner, created the original Durango Super Pursuit for the 1997 SEMA show where it won the Chrysler Design Excellence Award. Carrol Shelby had absolutely nothing to do with the design or creation of this vehicle!

After all the attention the Super Pursuit design received at the show, Chrysler Corp; in conjunction with Race Truck Trends in CA and Star Coach Inc. in GA; decided to offer a "factory" performance package for the Durango based on the Super Pursuit show vehicle. To enhance the "sales appeal" of the package, they got Carrol Shelby to sign off on the design so they could call it a "Shelby" Durango (again, he had nothing to do with the actualy design of the package, Performance West had already done all the design work, he simple "signed" his name to it ? for what I'm sure was a very hefty endorsement check!)

Since the package was based on Performance West's existing Super Pursuit design, which was "suppose" to put out 360HP, they called it an SP360 (for Super Pursuit 360HP) and thus, after Mr Shelby "approved" it, the package became known as the Shelby SP360. Dodge only offered this package on the 1999-2000 Durangos and intended to limit total production to 3000 vehicles; due to lack of interest? or more probably the +$45K price tag, only a few hundred wherever sold (200 to 300 depending on which sources you believe.) All Durango's ordered with the Shelby SP360 package were "drop shipped" from the factory in Delaware to either Race Truck Trends or Star Coach for conversion depending on exactly where it's final delivery was to take place.

After Dodge discontinued the Shelby package, Star Coach Inc. (and possibly Race Truck Trends??) continued to offer the same basic package of options to anyone willing to pony up the cash to have it installed. But, to avoid "legal" conflicts with Chrysler or Shelby, they renamed it the Super Pursuit II and made a few "cosmetic" changes (i.e. different hood, exhaust, no more "Viper Blue" paint, etc.) Up until they went bankrupt sometime in 2003, Star Coach still offered this package for Durango owners and Race Truck Trends still offers "some" of the SP360 products for sell.

So there are 4 types of Ds out there that could be confused as an SP360:

Super Pursuit - only one of these was ever produced, by Performance West, and would be the collectible to have!

Shelby SP360 - the official "factory authorized" performance package (numbering 200-300?) which should all have three serial numbered Shelby tags on them (one on the door sill, one on the glove box and a third in an undisclosed location somewhere on the frame)

Super Pursuit II - a "Shelby look-a-like" package offered by at least one of the factory authorized conversion companies (wouldn't have the 3 serial numbered tags mentioned above and "should" be easy to spot as a fake with a "hands-on" inspection)

Ds modified by their owners with "Shelby" parts - I know of at least one individual who "use" to frequent our forum who went all out buying up all the parts needed to make his D "appear" to be a Shelby SP360 (he even bought some Shelby "signature" seats & wheels from Race Truck Trends!) Heck, my own D has enough Shelby SP360 parts on it that, if I had proper skunk stripes painted on it and removed the roof rails, I could easily past it off as a Shelby (as I stated before, it'd be dirt simple to have some "forged" Shelby ID tags made up for at least the door sill and glove box!)​

So, despite what anyone tells you or what you may see advertised anywhere, there never was a D, or package of options for a D, that was sold as simple SP360!
 
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IndyDurango said:
Okay, yet another blue Shelby is available on eBay: Another eBay listing for a Blue Shelby

This one matches many of the items from the first, including the badging on the front doors. Obvious to me now, is that there were various specifications and each could be slightly different. This Shelby is outlandishly priced, but it has had a lot of engine dressup work done. On a true collectible, I'd think this would decrease the value however.
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Well, after listing the Shelby D above for a $21,500 starting bid and getting zero response, the same seller/same Shelby is listed again here, albeit with a more realistic starting bid of $8500 but has a hidden reserve.

As a collectible, I think the engine dress up they have added actually hurts the value :?:

IndyDurango
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Here's another blue Shelby D, #129 with only 17631 miles on it :!:

eBay listing here

I think it's over priced a bit at a $19k opening bid with a hidden reserve, but with such little miles on it, maybe not. The one above sold for over $23k!

I was surprised to see the same dash gauges (no face changes) on it as mine. However the transfer shifter has the overlays on it :? I have seen them with different gauge overlays, so perhaps that's someone doing an aftermarket mod on the Shelby (I wouldn't mod a Shelby at all personally)

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