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Robfrmny21 said:
I will be honest and str8 forward this stuff as soon as I put it in my car and another I notice differnce in vibration and just audible sound . With my turbo car I used to get a rubble pop on decel. After I put this in that went away better ring seal ?
I was just like you chase I called it bs from east to west. I gave it a try and I was like wtf <=== it' works better on older cars.
I am not trying to ruffle feathers at all. It might be the way things are being interpreted on here. Just trying to help.
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Roger that..carry on.
 
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Robfrmny21 said:
http://cermastore.com/cermaoil/shop/images/documents/Calif_Environ_Engine.pdf

I know it's from there site but I called them directly as there number is on there and they confirmed
The findings I read.

http://cermastore.com/cermaoil/shop/images/documents/Canada_ETV_Program.pdf
I didn't call the Canadian company.
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My problem with the test is it was not done the same day but over the course of a week.
Way too many variables that can change in a week effecting FE.
Only way I'm going to believe this works is to see a back to back dyno readings...and using pump gas not Indolene which is a fuel free from additives. That alone could effect FE I would think.
 
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Chase300 said:
My problem with the test is it was not done the same day but over the course of a week.
Way too many variables that can change in a week effecting FE.
Only way I'm going to believe this works is to see a back to back dyno readings...and using pump gas not Indolene which is a fuel free from additives. That alone could effect FE I would think.
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Yes, that would be a Good comparison, and yes the additives in fuel Most Definitely affect FE. We know your thoughts and impression of the engine treatments and their "snake oil" persona, but to ea.his own, I've used so many of these over the years(way back) to the STP days in the late 60's-70's , some work, some work for a very short time, and most Don't really do nothing but Topping off the dip stick. Keep researching, there is test comparison videos out there ,I have not heard of the Cerma before but that doesn't mean anything....I've learned Along time ago,,,,,you have to have an open mind and think out of the box.
 
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FSTDANGO3 said:
As said above it wont clog the galleys and may or may not help it's just an individual preference to use it or not
STEVE
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I like that answer.

Now, my favorite snake oil is Marvel Mystery Oil. I know it's just a bunch of detergents but I have had great success with it on older engines in the past. Example, I had purchased an old Festiva to commute with years ago. It had a lot of miles on it and the maintenance history was unknown. It had a lifter tick after I got it running again. So, I ran a quart of MMO through it for a few miles, and it went away. Really cleaned up the crankcase in that little old thing. Changed the oil after that and the tick never returned. Have had similar instances of success in the past. I don't need to be reminded that a Ford 4 banger isn't a HEMI, and that's not the point I'm trying to make. Conversely, my Dad used Slick 50 when it first came out on a Buick 350. Not sure if it was 100% related to the Slick 50, but 1,000 miles later the engine locked up. I always believed the S-50 had a direct involvement in the grenading but of course, ran no forensic analysis to prove or disprove it. The most we did was kick the car a bunch of times and have it hauled to the boneyard.

My point it, some engines can be helped with these 'snake oils', so like Steve says just leave it up to personal preference and don't flame anyone for using it. It's their money, after all.
 
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It could only possibly help really old engines run on old dino oil.
Today's oil's are too good and certainly don't need any additives..which Chrysler points out in the owners manual.
As long as you use an oil that meets their 6395? spec you don't need any other additives.
I think they might know a little more than us about what helps or hurts the engines they build.

So when Chrysler says to use them then I will.
Until then I'll stay away.

But you're free to spend your money anyway you want..you got that right.
 
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FINELINETOYS said:
I was not one of the posters against it(additives) by any means :-?:-?:-?... I've used ZMax in my 03' Cobra and in my Harleys,,,,I know that "SOME" do work,,,ZMax is something I added every 2-3 oil changes , both the Cobra and one of my bikes were supercharged and the temps dropped very noticeably as well as they seemed to "wrap up" (rpm) a little faster and smoother. I like the fact this is a "One Time treatment". Maybe down the road many miles I may look at it more but I run RP and change often.
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FTC Sues Speedway Motorsports and Oil-Chem Subsidiary | Federal Trade Commission

You might be interested in the lawsuit the FTC filed against Zmax stating as I said, its nothing but mineral oil.
 
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Oh and I thought STP was caught lying too about its product benefits.
Yup, paid a big fine, couldn't prove what they claim sure looks like more snake oil to me...

U.S. Settlement Reached on STP Oil Ads - NYTimes.com

FTC also went after Slick50, Duralube, Motor Up, Prolong, Valvoline Engine Treatment all for the same false claims.
None were able to prove they provide any benefits.

There is a reason I'm jaded against engine treatments and the claims their manufacturer put out.
 
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Ok kids, I've been reading this thread with some amusement. I can tell you as a Master Certified ASE Tech, AND a graduate of one of the finest MOPAR Schools in the nation, that you should never, EVER, use anything but the recommended viscosity and grade of motor oil in your crankcase. Same with your gas tank, with the a notation that 100% gasoline is the best overall fuel. Any item that claims a molecular bond, coating or other hooey is just that.

Carry on. ;)
 
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I never said it was magic. I understand that, and it works. Not snake oil. I don't care that other posts want to refute what I use it for; it works for me, it gives me peace of mind, and I'll keep using it. The lifter tick fix I mentioned above was not coincidence, nor was it magic. It was detergent agents clearing the oil channel out so the lifter could be lubricated. Detergents that were introduced when I poured MMO into the crankcase. No need to defend that. It worked.
 
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Durangutan said:
I never said it was magic. I understand that, and it works. Not snake oil. I don't care that other posts want to refute what I use it for; it works for me, it gives me peace of mind, and I'll keep using it. The lifter tick fix I mentioned above was not coincidence, nor was it magic. It was detergent agents clearing the oil channel out so the lifter could be lubricated. Detergents that were introduced when I poured MMO into the crankcase. No need to defend that. It worked.
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Correct, not snake oil, just 74% mineral oil.

From Wikipedia...

Composition[edit]

The product is composed of 74 percent mineral oil, 25 percent stoddard solvent, and 1 percent lard.[
FYI, Stoddard solvent is paint thinner..that is your cleaning agent!
Are you really going to put lard in your Durango?

Claimed benefits[edit]

Marketing literature makes claims about lubricating qualities, cleaning and friction reduction capabilities. However, little robust evidence exists documenting these purported benefits. The product has previously been marketed for use in all kinds of engines, including aircraft engines. However, it has been implicated in one aircraft crash where an engine suffered catastrophic damage during take-off after Mystery Oil had been used as a fuel additive. The engine damage found was attributed to detonation, which would be consistent with the octane reducing effects of Mystery oil.[

..and putting it into your fuel reduces the octane.
Well I guess if you're putting 93 octane into your Hemi you can reduce it down closer to 89 by putting MMO into the tank.
 
#33 ·
Guys, let's agree to disagree on this one and move along
 
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Enough of this debate To each their own!
 
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