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Ok be4 I get roasted on this topic has any one used this ?
I had this nasty valve train noise start up on my sonata turbo gdi engine
The dealer basically told me wait till it breaks. I bought this product as well the turbo treatment.
Did the break in drive. The treatment got rid of my noise that was driving me nuts for a yr.
If you never used it yes the description sounds like snake oil or bs product .
I also has less vibration from the endings as well.

Cerma STM-3

I'm just opening this up for discussion not pushing them at all.
I will be adding cerma once my engine is broken in im at 220miles now.
People use they stuff on boats as well guns bikes ect. If it moves and wears you can use this.
You can see the treatment stuck on the dip stick it
It basically makes the metal so slippery the carbon from combustion can not stick to the inside on the engine and then forces through fluid transfer to get trapped by the filter.
Again just for discussion .
My sonata had 33k when I used it for the noise.
I pulled the filter and it was heavier then filter be4 and after the cerma treatment.

Let me know what you guys feel hopefully I can answer any questions .
 
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I personally dont believe in additives but if it works for you that is good. Check you owners manual though they dont recommend anything either and could void your warranty. They can tell you use it as well. I believe that just using great oil and proper changes gets the job done
STEVE
 
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Did you know the U.S. gov is limiting some of the wear agents in oils because they have carcinogens considered to high.
They aren't replacing them with any new ones either. So for you to get that wonderful api designation you must have your oil meet there standards.
I know some people don't think of oil much. Since it is vital life blood of a engine it's obvious that it's important.
Cerma has been certified by the Canadian environmental tech and the EPA saying there products increase mpgs .
As far as I know there isn't any other oil company to do so.
 
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I hope they do something for the price they charge!
I don't know..today's oils are so much better than just a few years ago..I just don't see the need for any additive.
Especially when I can't even pronounce any of the additives used.

The only way I know how to get something bonded onto metal is to bake it on.
No way any additive you add to an oil is going to somehow bond to metal surfaces.
 
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This stuff is just like the baked on stuff, the way it gets into the metal is through a test drive, if you have any hot spots internally
It will be attracted to that area so that's ualy all the bearing area side walls ect. Once it's pulled in you never have to treat it again.

Trust me when I say this I was just like you and I took about 4 months of research till I actully bought it. It really works best with a work old engine or hi mileage . Less mile engines usually see just better mpg not much of a power increase .

I put this in my moms caviler has 230k miles. Didn't say what I did just treated it and returned the car. 3 days later she's asking me what I did to her car. I asked if there was a problem she sai no. Her car has more power and less vibration.
She is far from a car person fyi.
 
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Well the Hemi is not a Chevy 4 banger.
The Hemi has MDS and VVT both which require good oil flow to operate..especially MDS.
That is why it is so important to use 5W20 oil and nothing thicker. There are small oil galleys in the block that are used to operate MDS and if they get clogged it won't operate.
That is why the manual says not to use any oil treatments...you will risk clogging those oil galleys putting some type of product in the oil that contains solids.

Do what you want, but I'm telling you it would be a mistake to add this or any other oil treatment to a Hemi with MDS.
 
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This is not a oil treatment it's a metal treatment it just makes the surfaces slippery that's it.
It doesnt thicker or thin oil.
I used this on my last car with was gdi vvt turbo so it had a lot going on. It worked great.
 
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Robfrmny21 said:
This is not a oil treatment it's a metal treatment it just makes the surfaces slippery that's it.
It doesnt thicker or thin oil.
I used this on my last car with was gdi vvt turbo so it had a lot going on. It worked great.
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What ever it is I bet it clogs the oil galleys.
But you're free to be the test subject and let us know how it works in your Hemi.
I fully believe its snake oil and yes, I checked it out.
 
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Chase300 said:
What ever it is I bet it clogs the oil galleys.
But you're free to be the test subject and let us know how it works in your Hemi.
I fully believe its snake oil and yes, I checked it out.
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Haters!!!!!!!!...Lol. I highly doubt it will plug up the oil galleys. It seems rather pricey and seems to be a lot like ZMax which can be had cheaper. The ol' days of Slick 50 with Teflon have came along ways which I do believe would cause issues with today's modern engines because of the High Solid contents.
 
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drachen said:
+1. A basic google search reveals plenty of miracle claims which combined with no reviews by reputable testing entities certainly seems to equal snake oil.
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Would you consider the EPA reputable? Cet Canadian EPA ?
They tested it and found the product increased mpg .
Can snake oil increase mpg ?
 
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FINELINETOYS said:
Haters!!!!!!!!...Lol. I highly doubt it will plug up the oil galleys. It seems rather pricey and seems to be a lot like ZMax which can be had cheaper. The ol' days of Slick 50 with Teflon have came along ways which I do believe would cause issues with today's modern engines because of the High Solid contents.
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I called cerma inventor and spoke with him for a while on this .
The price. Does seem like a lot but it's a one time treatment.
I'm gonna put this in my hemi when the miles say ok.

What I was trying to show was some of the older car owners in here there are products that can help a older car out.
Let me ask you something in general. If some one invents something that improves something , but it goes against everything you know about a product does that make it bs ?
 
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Robfrmny21 said:
I called cerma inventor and spoke with him for a while on this .
The price. Does seem like a lot but it's a one time treatment.
I'm gonna put this in my hemi when the miles say ok.

What I was trying to show was some of the older car owners in here there are products that can help a older car out.
Let me ask you something in general. If some one invents something that improves something , but it goes against everything you know about a product does that make it bs ?
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I was not one of the posters against it(additives) by any means :-?:-?:-?... I've used ZMax in my 03' Cobra and in my Harleys,,,,I know that "SOME" do work,,,ZMax is something I added every 2-3 oil changes , both the Cobra and one of my bikes were supercharged and the temps dropped very noticeably as well as they seemed to "wrap up" (rpm) a little faster and smoother. I like the fact this is a "One Time treatment". Maybe down the road many miles I may look at it more but I run RP and change often.
 
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Robfrmny21 said:
Would you consider the EPA reputable? Cet Canadian EPA ?
They tested it and found the product increased mpg .
Can snake oil increase mpg ?
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Okay, I'll bite...

"They" in this case was not the EPA (US or Canadian equivalent) but a Canadian contract company called FPInnovations. In their specific test which related to heavy trucking applications, their result was a whopping 2.1% of fuel efficiency gained between the control and the test rigs. So yes, an MPG increase was observed, however despite their best efforts to control and document all of the variables at play, 2.1% is pretty inconclusive especially when based on the very verbiage in the test report, the accuracy of those results is +/- 1% per the test standards they used.

The claim on the front of their website of 4.2%-21% increase fuel efficiency seems to be based on the company's own "Diesel Databook", a non-scientific testimonial of their product in use for various applications.

I'd be grateful if you'd post links related to testing that the EPA (US or Canadian equivalent) performed showing the benefit of this product because I couldn't find that either.
 
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As said above it wont clog the galleys and may or may not help it's just an individual preference to use it or not
STEVE
 
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drachen said:
Okay, I'll bite...

"They" in this case was not the EPA (US or Canadian equivalent) but a Canadian contract company called FPInnovations. In their specific test which related to heavy trucking applications, their result was a whopping 2.1% of fuel efficiency gained between the control and the test rigs. So yes, an MPG increase was observed, however despite their best efforts to control and document all of the variables at play, 2.1% is pretty inconclusive especially when based on the very verbiage in the test report, the accuracy of those results is +/- 1% per the test standards they used.

The claim on the front of their website of 4.2%-21% increase fuel efficiency seems to be based on the company's own "Diesel Databook", a non-scientific testimonial of their product in use for various applications.

I'd be grateful if you'd post links related to testing that the EPA (US or Canadian equivalent) performed showing the benefit of this product because I couldn't find that either.
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Exactly..and the test was on a Class 8 Truck.
Class 8 is a tractor trailer, which average about 5 mpg per diesel fuel. So a 2.1% increase is a .1 mpg increase.
Where are the tests on automobiles?
Lots of buzz words used, like Nano technology, but nothing that makes any sense.
Pure snakeoil.

Zmax is mineral oil..why do you think its clear and can be added to anything?
Same with mineral oil.
Its mineral oil with a fancy name and clever marketing campaign.
 
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Chase300 said:
Exactly..and the test was on a Class 8 Truck.
Class 8 is a tractor trailer, which average about 5 mpg per diesel fuel. So a 2.1% increase is a .1 mpg increase.
Where are the tests on automobiles?
Lots of buzz words used, like Nano technology, but nothing that makes any sense.
Pure snakeoil.

Zmax is mineral oil..why do you think its clear and can be added to anything?
Same with mineral oil.
Its mineral oil with a fancy name and clever marketing campaign.
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Lol....Obviously this subject has Ruffled some undies...:doh::doh::doh::-?:-?....
 
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I will be honest and str8 forward this stuff as soon as I put it in my car and another I notice differnce in vibration and just audible sound . With my turbo car I used to get a rubble pop on decel. After I put this in that went away better ring seal ?
I was just like you chase I called it bs from east to west. I gave it a try and I was like wtf <=== it' works better on older cars.
I am not trying to ruffle feathers at all. It might be the way things are being interpreted on here. Just trying to help.
 
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